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Ideal Movie Viewing Order?

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Use the Falchion, Aug 24, 2016.

  1. Use the Falchion

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    So, do y'all have a preferred movie viewing order for people who've never seen Star Wars? I kind of have an idea for one (mostly for when I have kids [in the VERY DISTANT] future), but I've never had a chance to test it out. It goes:

    1. A New Hope
    2. The Empire Strikes Back
    3. The Phantom Menace
    4. Attack of the Clones
    5. The Clone Wars (TV Show)
    6. Revenge of the Sith
    7. Star Wars Rebels (concurrently with OT)
    8. Rogue One
    9. A New Hope
    10. The Empire Strikes Back
    11. Return of the Jedi
    12. The Force Awakens

    So that's the list. Are there any other good viewing methods you recommend? Thanks, and let me know!
     
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    No offense, but this is a terrible order. I do not like the machete order on the best of days (there's no real good reason to interrupt the flow of one trilogy to show another) and the odd mixing of Rogue One and Rebels is strange and confusing (especially since it is weird to watch Rogue One before The Force Awakens).

    Here's what I said in another (admittingly buried) topic on the same subject:
    FIRST TIME VIEWERS:
    A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith, The Force Awakens, Episode VIII...
    Of course, that's how I viewed them (I am at the tail end of people who remember a time before The Phantom Menace), but I have three really good reasons for this:
    1) Film quality.
    To be blunt about it, the prequels are simply not that good as movies. This could turn people off of the series if they find them boring, which many do.

    2) "Questions and Answers"
    In his video on this exact subject matter, YouTuber HelloGreedo calls this (his preferred viewing order) the "Question and Answer Viewing Order". While watching the original trilogy, you wonder about the backstory. You ask, "How did Anakin fall to the Dark Side?", "What were the Clone Wars?", "Who was the mother of Luke and Leia?", "How did the Republic fall?", and many others. It adds a layer of mystery and going back to find out is a more interesting way to see them. And it is better to have the full set of questions (i.e., watch Return of the Jedi first), THEN go and get all of the answers.

    3) Prequels rarely can be watched first.
    Honestly, most prequels (not just Star Wars ones) are rarely made in a way that allows you to watch them before you ever see the originals. Mostly since they act as if you know what's going to happen. Because the original audience does. And this is very obvious in the prequel trilogy. The foreshadowing for Anakin's fall is blatant. Palpatine being Sidious is obvious just from looking at him. And there is always this shot: right after Mace and Yoda talk about the Rule of Two and Mace asks the question, "Which was destroyed, the master or the apprentice?", the camera pans and then lingers on Palpatine's face in the foreground.
    Plus, The Phantom Menace doesn't really explain much of the general setting of Star Wars. There's no real explanation of the Force (other than kriffing midichlorians) for example. A New Hope eased you in with relatable characters and understandable situations.
    And there is one other problems with prequels in general: fan service. Typically, there are characters who are only there because we know who they are, even if they add exactly nothing to the plot. And references, too. Any joy that could be taken from seeing them (such as Chewie in Revenge of the Sith) is non-existent if we view it in chronological order. Here's an example from one of The Hobbit films: Legolas sees a picture of one character's son and makes a comment on how ugly he is. This is only funny if you know that said son, Gimli, would eventually becomes friends with Legolas during the course of The Lord of the Rings trilogy. One example in the prequels is the "Why do I get the feeling you are going to be the death of me?" that Obi-Wan says about Anakin.

    When it comes to Rogue One and other spin off films, I don't know, but I don't recommend chronological order due to aforementioned problems with prequels in general. And since they are optional films, you can include them at the end or in release order if you wish.

    Side note: Watching The Clone Wars between Clones and Sith isn't required, but if the person you are showing this too is open to it, go for it. This is especially okay since if you are following this viewing order, there is nothing that is really spoiled for Revenge of the Sith that the OT doesn't already really cover. Except for Order 66, but it's kinda obvious that the clones will somehow be a part of the destruction of the Jedi.

    SECOND ONWARDS:
    The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith, A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, The Force Awakens, Episode VIII...


    The main arguments for viewing order to me really only makes sense in the perspective of the first time viewer. When it comes to a second or third or one thousand and thirty eighth viewing, it doesn't really matter. So to me, it just makes more sense to view them chronologically in this case. It's what I did for both the 30th anniversary and for celebrating the release of The Force Awakens.

    When it comes to the spin off films (and TV shows if you are doing a long term marathon) in this case, you can keep them separate (watch them after the films), watch them in chronological order, or not watch them at all.

    NEW STATEMENTS:
    When it comes to where to put Rebels, we just have to wait. See, Rebels is the first time we have an ongoing TV show when films are coming out. We don't know where Rogue One, Episode VIII, Episode IX, the still untitled Han Solo film, other future films, and Rebels itself will go. As of now (before the release of Rogue One and Rebels Season 3), I would just recommend watching it after The Force Awakens. In the future, we'll just have to see.
     
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    Yes, you can't watch the prequels before the originals first time round. That would ruin the surprise reveal that Darth Vader is Luke's father :).
     
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    So my girlfriend was never a big Star Wars fan... until NOW muhahahaha. So I watched every SW film with her in the Chronological Order. Phantom Menace to Jedi and then we watched The Force Awakens on the day it came out.

    She loved most of them but she thought Episodes 1 & 2 were a bit slow... and I could tell her mind was wandering during the slower bits of those episodes. Interestingly, her absolute favourite Star Wars film was The Force Awakens. She adores it.


    So, in retrospect I think I'd recommend the following order:

    1) The Original Trilogy
    2) The Force Awakens
    3) The Prequel Trilogy
    4) Other Canon (Rebels and The Clone Wars)


    I think Rogue One will make this even harder though :confused:
     
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    Some dumb order I'd like to try out when I have kids: a "first time viewing" cut of the saga.
    1. A New Hope.
    2. The Phantom Menace.
    3. The Empire Strikes Back.
    4. Attack Of The Clones.
    5. Revenge Of The Sith.
    6. Return Of The Jedi.
    7. The Sequel Trilogy.
    Basically, this order preserves the majority of the plot twists that one would run into watching the OT or PT on their own. Jumping from ANH to TPM contextualizes Obi-Wan's journey without giving away the fact that his student will become Darth Vader. Although Palpatine appears in TESB, spoiling the reveal that he's the Sith Lord that the Jedi Order were so worried about finding, he looks unrecognizable enough to anyone first watching TPM or AOTC that they might not get this on a first viewing. The order also preserves the surprise of "I am your father" while showing what led Anakin Skywalker to become the iconic villain. (It also allows us to see what Yoda was like in his prime.) ROTS and ROTJ represent the end of their separate narrative arcs, and the latter retroactively became the culmination of Anakin's story, so it would make the most sense to have them viewed back-to-back. Thus far, the ST doesn't look like it will have any mind-blowing events that will make you rethink about what happened the previous movies, so there's no sense in putting it anywhere but the end of the viewing order. The spin-offs and television shows wouldn't be included in this particular cut for the purposes of following the main, Skywalker-centric narrative.
     
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    I watch the saga once every year. This is (will be) my order:
    1. Plinkett reviews (it entertains me much more than the PT)
    2. OT
    3. ST (in the future)
    4. Anthologies (in the future)

    For newcommers I think the ideal order is:
    1. OT
    2. PT
    3. ST
    This is the ideal order if you dont want the plot twist spoiled (if you managed to avoid it somehow). Its also a tour into movie history.

    If you are already a fan I think just follow the numbered/timeline order.
     
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    I have recently seen Sam Witwer's proposed order for children and SW newbies that I like a lot.

    You start with the Clone Wars where they will get invested in Anakin, Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, etc.

    Then you show the A New Hope, where they will learn that their hero Anakin was killed by Darth Vader. With that and Obi-Wan's death (whom they now know much better than we did), they are poised to hate Vader's guts.

    Then they go into The Empire Strikes Back, when they will learn that Anakin IS Vader. Shock would be much bigger. Maybe they don't believe it, like many of the first viewers didn't. Which is why...

    you show them Revenge of the Sith next.

    And then Return of the Jedi where Vader reverts to Anakin.

    If they are on board and interested, they can have A Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. :D

    I liked this, because it preserves the story and surprises and IMHO enriches them with The Clone Wars, because Lucas added to the show much he missed in the prequels (Anakin as HERO, great Jedi, his relationships with Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, Padme, Palpatine, Clones...)
     
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    4,5,6,1,2,3,7,8,9.

    This order created a whole generation of SW fans, why fix something if ain't broke?
     
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    I thought of something last night before I went to sleep, so I wanted to add this:
    As I said before, I dislike the machete order, but I thought of two things to really illustrate why it is a terrible idea:
    1) You do spoil the twist that Leia is Luke's sister (it wasn't revealed until Jedi, and it is said again in Sith). Minor, but still there.
    2) You make the viewer sit through three movies to find out what happens to Han. This is even worse if you show them The Clone Wars, too.

    This doesn't work. For starters, The Clone Wars was made with the understanding that the odds were good that the audience had seen the six films. And this wouldn't avoid spoiling the "Vader is Luke's father" twist. Why? This scene:
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    Yeah, this kinda spoils the surprise just a little bit.
    I really don't understand why people feel the need to jump around. I can understand the basics of the "release order vs chronological order" debate, but trying to make some weird compromise just makes for less enjoyable experiences by constantly interrupting the flow.
     
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    My turn
    The Phantom Menace
    The Empire Strikes Back
    The Revenge of the Sith
    Attack of the Clones
    A New Hope
    The Force Awakens
    The Return of the Jedi
    Rogue One
    Han Solo
    Episode 8
    Episode 9.
     
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    Nothing here makes any sense.
     
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    Rogue One
    A New Hope
    Empire Strikes Back
    The Phantom Menace
    Attack of the Clones
    The Clone Wars
    Revenge of the SIth
    Return of the Jedi
    Star Wars Rebels
    The Force Awakens.
     
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    Ah, the eternal debate.

    Here's mine:

    A New Hope
    The Empire Strikes Back
    Attack of the Clones
    Revenge of the Sith
    Return of the Jedi
    The Force Awakens

    The Phantom Menace as an extra.
    The series... no idea yet. Will review at some point.

    My reason for this is that if you see the prequels as an extended flashback of the original trilogy that explains how Vader is Luke's father right after the reveal, it constructs a much more cohesive narrative and gives extra weight to Luke's decision to throw away his lightsaber and say "You failed, Your Highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me" to the Emperor; the moment is much more potent and meaningful.
     
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    Very original idea. I'll have to try this!

    Edit: scrolled up and all the other posts were variations on this. Maybe not so original. But still not something I'd seen before.
     
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    @Vader_the_White, thanks for the reply!
    I've tried the Machete Order before, and I didn't like it either lol! And if we're adding The Clone Wars, then leaving it out doesn't make sense.

    See, I feel the first and the third of those questions, along with the basic questions of "who is Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader," and "what happened to the Jedi," would be most heavily on the mind right after Empire Strikes Back, so why not have the prequel trilogies as an extended flashback? From there, the point would be to go through the whole story along with all the side pieces (Rebels, Rogue One) so that now when the viewer is going through ANH and ESB again, things feel more complete/structured. The point of adding them again is twofold: Firstly, so that they can actually get the OT uninterrupted (assuming Rebels stops before ANH - if not, then it'll be relatively uninterrupted), and second so that they can view those first two movies again with more context. "Once more with Clarity," if you will.

    Now THAT I want to try!

    Nonsense! It builds suspense! ;)
    As for the Luke and Leia plot twist, I didn't feel like it was a large enough plot twist to warrant saving for RotJ. Don't get me wrong. It's important and big, but it just doesn't have to be in RotJ. There it felt tacked on. The twist can still work. If we watch the viewing method I suggested, Anakin and the audience are led to believe that Luke is his only offspring. Come that moment at the end of RotS, the audience finds out he has a twin. The rest of the movies (including the second viewings of ANH and ESB) now have that layer of dramatic irony. Or another way of looking at it is with misdirection. Introduce the idea of "the other hope," then you meet Ahsoka and later Ezra. Now, until RotJ, those viewers will be wondering if either of them (or potentially even someone else) is the hope until they get to RotJ, making the revelation with Leia feel that much more epic. Granted, I haven't tried that aspect yet, but it might be able to work.

    Fact check me on this, but does it ever explicitly say in the scene "Anakin, you will become Darth Vader," or any sort of variation? Because if not, then it could be a cool bit of foreshadowing to "Anakin's death at Vader's hand" in the mind of the new viewers, and then a double wammy when they find out Anakin is Vader.
    *EDIT/ A/N (I'm also asking because where I am I might not be able to watch before you reply. Thanks!)

    As for the introduction point. Yeah, TCW does act as if people have seen the movies before, but I think a lot of kids got their first taste of Star Wars with TCW and Rebels. It's also just like a lot of Epic Fantasy in that case - new readers find themselves in the "deep end" and after a little time learn to swim.
     
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    I believe Anakin does say things about what he will become during that arc. I could be mistaken, though.
    Again, with the machete order, you are interrupting the flow of the original trilogy. People are going to care more about Han's fate along with having followed Luke for two films that stopping for three movies (and possibly more) is just going to be annoying. I know since stuff like this happens in TV shows and it ticks me off! Just get on with it!
    Also, all these alternate orders other than chronological and release are just too convoluted and complicated. That's really my feelings on this.
     
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    That's why I have the OT twice.

    Thanks for sharing! :) And that's fair. I guess through my method I was trying to show Star Wars as an epic story, sprawling side stories (read: TV shows and spin-off movies) and all.

    But I really need to try out that Witwer method...
     
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    I never did any special order when showing them to my niece and nephews, born in 99, 2001 and 2002 respectively. When I did show them the films I went Episode 1-6 when they were about 8. Episode IV was the toughest for them to get through, and they enjoyed all 6 quite a bit(the prequels more when they were younger, as they have gotten older Empire has become their favorite). Most of the modern films they grew up with have great special effects and I found showing them the older films to be more difficult when they were young as they had less action, less flashy CGI and not as good choreography for action sequences.
     
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    I give my viewing order of the movies.
     
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    The reason I would say to watch it in it's theatrical order, is because both trilogies spoil the other. That is essentially the flaw by Lucas is that whatever trilogy you watch first, the other one is spoiled.

    The only way Lucas could have made it to work 1-6 is if he wrote the PT that way without any wink-wink references. There would be no naming of Darth Vader, there be no showing of Suited Darth Vader. Anakin would die on Mustafar, and the audience would think he is dead because when they watch Episode 4, they would think that Darth Vader was a new villain just like Dooku and Maul. The twins would never be shown to be born, as a pregnant Padme would be taken away in Hibernation and never be seen again in Episode 3. That way you wouldn't know Luke/Leia are siblings until ROTJ. 1-6 is not a linear story, or even 1-9 now, so I would recommend newcomers watch it the way we did as it worked for us 4,5,6,1,2,3,7,8,9!
     
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