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Rewatching Attack of the Clones after 9 years

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Skaro, Nov 20, 2014.

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    He went too far in a few places - haha :).
     
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    I do remember watching a portion of the behind-the-scenes featurette where Portman was doing the green screen work for the factory scene, and she burst out laughing and said that it was never going to work to George's face.
     
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    i wouldn't say that Anakin was a miscast. He differently redeemed himself in episode 3 but it is the fact that George Lucas was working with a much younger cast and he didn't know how to write good dialogue which made Anakins portray bad. George Lucas has said that he is not very good at writting dialoge and that Harrison Ford had to go and change a lot of the OT script lines to make them sound more fluent
     
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    actually he wanted anakin's turn to be much earlier but it didnt mesh with everything else over all .
     
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    My son put on RotS just now. Wow those CGI graphics aged fast. What was state of the art now looks cartoonish and unconvincing. Which ironically is how Hayden comes across here as well:
    'Horribly miscast' is one part of the equation, the other two being Anakin is horribly written/characterized, and Anakin is put into a horribly unconvincing and weak plot.

    I will never ever understand how people are able to like this movie, let alone claim that it is the best prequel.

    It is a terrible film, beaten only by the utter fail of AotC. Barely. RotS does in no way deserve accolades.or praise
     
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    Why did you have to insult those who like the Prequel movies in this manner? Why couldn't you just state that you will always disagree with those who like the Prequel movies? Is that really so hard?
     
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    I honestly didn't mean to come off as insulting. I should've written "I wish I was able to accept RotS for what it is". I see now that it can be interpreted as harsh, especially because I didn't stop and added some vitriol at the end there.
     
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    I'm the only person in my household who enjoys this movie. But then again, I'm also the only person in my household who enjoys the music of Suicide, Throbbing Gristle and Mike And The Mechanics.

    I love the many-layered story and that Palpatine is behind practically every element of the plot. I love the unashamed tribute to Ray Harryhausen in the arena battle. I love the romance between Padme and Anakin, how it goes from Anakin being shamed by her put-down "You'll always be that little boy I met on Tatooine" to the uneasy exchanges on Naboo and the eventual declaration of love at the point of no return as they go to meet their death. Obi-wan's investigation, going from looking for an assassin to discovering the clone army makes for fascinating viewing - the tense exchange between him and Jango Fett is the kind of scene we've never really seen in Star Wars before.

    We have Sir Christopher Lee as the villain. That man could read the telephone directory and make it rivetting. He brings such elegance to the role and there are several moments where it's not really clear whether he's being honest or deceitful. And, of course, he's following in the footsteps of his great friend and fellow Hammer Horror star Peter Cushing.

    Finally, this was the first film made digitally, something George Lucas had aspired to do ever since he was making Return of The Jedi. Whatever you think of digital film-making, George Lucas was once again pushing the envelope in order to achieve his vision. A true revolutionary.
     
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    To me that's like comparing the Cleveland Browns to the New England Patriots and saying they both have flaws, which is technically a true statement, but you have to ignore an awful lot of evidence to be satisfied with such a misleading comparison. No one will blame you for liking AOTC, but imagine defending the Cleveland Browns with statements like all teams have flaws.

    There are reasonable expectations of a film, and AOTC fails miserably in the most fundamental of categories. But that shouldn't be a surprise when the creator of the film admits in the commentary that he dislikes writing scenes of dialog, often forcing disposition because he doesn't know how to properly integrate character development and plot movement without all of the characters sitting in a circle, and suggests that the visuals are the most important part of the films when the visuals should be there to tell the story and not become it.
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    You are being waaaay too sensitive. First of all, its a movie.

    Second of all, there is nothing remotely insulting about what he said. He doesn't understand how anyone can like the movie based on his experience of it. What's insulting about that? Consider it a deficit in his understanding if that really helps you. Why do you need others to like the movie if you like it, seems perfectly irrelevant.
     
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    WOW long time no Ree Yees on the forums (that's me, in my new and shiny photoshopped butchered avatar). I didn't come specifically to Vhlor about All on the Computer Attack of the Clones, but this is the thread that was first in my "Since you were here last..." list.

    It's kind of easier to hang out on the various Star Wars reddits, especially with the Reddit app. But this forum remains the loveliest of all Star Wars online briefing chambers. People can even disagree without the place burning down. Three hoorays for Star Wars News Net, strongest web in the Force.

    Coincidentally I did watch the first five minutes of Red Letter Media's review of Attack of the Clones during a break at work (needed to find something on YouTube, 'accidentally' ended up using the search term Star Wars). I laughed: A review the length of a movie, yet they effectively summarize it within the first thirty seconds:

    What is wrong with Attack of the Clones?

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    While I still think the "Mr. Plinkett" character/style is tasteless, I think there's some great humor in some of the resigned comments to certain scenes. And the points he makes - well, they are pretty much spot on in this case, like the lack of chemistry and characterization, which is explained well in the beginning of the video. At the same time, there are so many more things he should have called out, more arguments that need to be made. Not because I believe people need convincing; but the powers that be need to see and hear it, all of it. That's why I secretly want to make supplemental videos pointing out the rest of the things that are wrong with the prequels - but I'll never get around to it (fortunately for y'all).

    I'll show myself out now.

     
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    Why do people who hate some films take so much time out of their lives to make lengthy videos explaining why they hate them so much? If they had any courage in their convictions they wouldn't need to. Now, I can understand people taking time to explain why they love a film because that's a positive and worthwhile thing to do with your time.

    Think on this, The Beatles once wrote a song called All You Need Is Love. Great tune. I can't imagine a song called All You Need Is Hate being anywhere near as popular.
     
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    Some people like to put alot of effort into venting... perhaps it's therapeutic for them? ;)

    EDIT: It helped me come to terms with TFA :p
     
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    You said it yourself: love. Its not out of hate, its out of love. Love for the story otherwise known as the "Original" or classic trilogy.
     
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    Talking about something you hate as a means of showing how much you love something else. Well, that's a new one but if that really is the case then the answer is simple: talk about the original trilogy and shower it with your unending love...unless of course all this venting is because you actually hate the prequels more than you love the original films, which is my suspicion.
     
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    It really depends upon your personality and perspective on things. As has already been mentioned, sometimes people need to vent and doing so can be cathartic. You mention the Beatles and their song "All You Need is Love" which is indeed a classic song. That being said, many people also enjoy songs that are far from positive and doing so doesn't make them a negative person. I'm a pretty positive guy most of the time, but I still enjoy dark music by bands like Nine Inch Nails and Queens of the Stone Age. It's nice to hear a song taking the piss out of things that bug you sometimes.

    As for hate for the Prequels and loving Star Wars, I don't see anything incompatible there. The reason the Prequels bother some fans so badly is because of how much they love Star Wars and they can't stand seeing it handled the way it was in the Prequels. If they didn't love Star Wars so much, they wouldn't care nearly as much about the Prequels being bad movies from their perspective.

    As another example, I'm a big comic book fan. As someone who has a good handle on the characters I love and their best stories, I'm definitely less forgiving of bad portrayals of said characters and their stories. Therefore when I watch a terrible movie like BvS, it gets under my skin a lot more than it does for most people. The reason it bugs me so much is because of my love of the source material. Now I don't spend every moment obsessing over it, but if someone engages me in a discussion about everything I hated about that movie, well, I could go on a long time. For yet another example speak to literally anyone who has read a book that was made into a movie that they didn't like.

    These frustrations only multiply when fans thought that the movie in question could have been so much better. Oftentimes, breaking things down and finding out what went wrong is actually very cathartic for them. They may still hate the movie, but oftentimes pinpointing the reasons why actually allows them to make peace with their hatred of it. I still think the theatrical cut of BvS is garbage for instance, but breaking down the reasons why allowed me to put that aside and now I mostly just laugh at how awful it is.

    Most Star Wars fans who hate the Prequels are the same way, they still don't like them, but they've made peace with the reasons why they don't. There are definitely a few who found the RLM reviews helpful in that respect. For instance, I know of quite a few users on this site who dislike the Prequels and can go on and on about the reasons why, but they spend more time talking about and critiquing the movies they do like instead. Oftentimes a little venting was all they needed.
     
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    I think the catharthis is failing these people, if they're still venting all these years after the event. When was the last prequel film released? 2005? Surely twelve years of hate is a bit much, don't you think?
     
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    2005 was when Revenge of the Sith was released, The Phantom Menace came out in 1999.
     
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    That's what I said.
     
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    Hold on a second...why is anakin's saber RED?!
     
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    This movie is my least favorite in the whole saga, but I still enjoy it a lot.
    I love the stuff on coruscant at the beginning.( The Speeder chase, the cantina stuff ...) and the whole detective plot with obi wan.
    The final act on geonosis was great, too.

    The romance is awkward, but seriously what did you expect from a 19 year old boy who was never in a relationship before ? lol

    I also wanna mention that AOTC is the first major film shot fully with digital cameras and you can see it, especially compared to TPM, which was still shot on 35mm film for the most part, and even to RotS that came out 3 years later, but used the same technology.

    digital or video has come a long way since George Lucas worked with Sony to develop the HD camera that they used back on Episode 2.
    And since 2012 more than half the movies are shot digitally and I think Lucas should really be given a tremendous amount of credit for his vision and the risks he took in pushing digital technology forward in all aspects of movie making.







    Bottom Line: The movie was really revolutionary and started the digital age in cinema.
     
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