SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Pablo isn't saying anything of the sort in those tweets. He's talking about Kylo not Rey or saying anything about the main protagonist of TFA. As usual, you are reading far more meaning into what is actually being said and declaring it's actually being said and is indisputable. I'm not budging because I'm sticking to what is actually being said and nothing more. I do the same with Maz's comment. I'm not blinded by my theory. I'm just pointing out franchise history and how it's never been deviated from. Please don't bring up TPM again as it simply doesn't work as an example of deviation from the pattern. Anakin was the main protagonist of the PT and TPM is part of the PT and not a standalone story not to mention that GL has never waivered in saying Anakin was the main protagonist of all of it including TPM and his opinion far outweighs anyone else's including Pablo's. I not saying that they couldn't break the pattern. Of course they could. They can do whatever they want (There's some flexibility for you). I'm just saying they haven't so far and it's highly unlikely that they will now. BTW: what did you think about my large post on Maz?

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That it doesn't matter what JJ want's to do as he has no real say on what the ST will ultimately be about as he is only telling one part of the story.

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I was referring to the power she wields including creative control. Of course she is doing things differently than he did but that doesn't mean she's completely or even mostly hands off. GL didn't write all of the scripts or direct all of the movies himself. He wrote and directed some of them and hired others like Kasdan to do those jobs on others.

 

He's not saying Kylo continues the story just that he is the revealed Skywalker in TFA. He actually never says anything about continuing the story which would have been a reference to KK's comment.

He's just saying what we already know; that the saga films are about the Skywalkers not, in any way, clarifying what that means.

I think this is just his opinion and not an official LucasFilm stance and, as I have pointed out several times now, GL had said Anakin was and he holds far more weight on this subject than Pablo does. Finally, as I've also said multiple times, TPM is part of a trilogy and I'm talking about the stories as a whole so it's the main protagonist of the WHOLE trilogy following the pattern that's important not one part or, shall we say, one chapter. A main character of a book can be so even if he isn't the main character of every chapter.

I get why you draw the conclusions you do from those tweets but they just aren't saying everything you think they are and he's not making any sort of official statement or being interviewed here. He's responding to someone else's tweets that are trying to pump him for information. We can't even say for sure if he is being completely truthful or misleading or just intentionally vague.

I wasn't revisiting our debate but offering a wider view analysis of Maz as a whole and wasn't pointing in any specific direction. Did you read my large post at the top of the previous page? If not, please do as I'm interest in your thoughts on it.

Actually, given that he changed things in TFA at RJ's request, I think RJ is the one influencing the story the most at least as far as the ST goes. You may have a point with the backstory though.

I wasn't trying to argue my position but merely throwing out some thoughts for group discussion. I can't really argue with most of this other than the last paragraph of course. However:

Do you not think that it's possible that Maz may have thought it prudent to keep her suspicions to herself until she could confirm them? If so, saying something vague to discourage her from returning to Jakku and encouraging her to go find Luke who likely could and would tell her the truth would make sense while also keeping the audience in the dark for a future reveal. Also, I don't think it's clear at all what Maz thinks or what her force abilities are.

As for the last paragraph, I think that's a little belittling towards those that hold that position. You can call me stubborn all you want but I believe I've argued my side as articulately and as thoughtfully as you have argued yours. I've also shown willingness to admit I could be wrong or have been wrong or simply misunderstood something. Look, ReySky is the most popular theory for a reason and I suspect it has a lot more to do with what people saw in the movie than simply thinking 'this is how Star Wars films work'. Thanks for your thoughts though.

 

I never said telling her would be discouraging. If Maz didn't know for sure but merely had a strong suspicion, there was a chance she could be wrong. Telling Rey or Han and have her suspicions end up being wrong would have caused a lot of needless pain thus making it more prudent to wait until she knew for sure. She wasn't confirming anything about Rey's actual family and we know from 'Rey's Story' that Rey certainly didn't think she was.

First of all, there is a difference between 'in story' evidence where something is actually revealed about a character or a part of a backstory is told that could reveal something about a character and images and themes that are used as hints to point in a particular direction or make the audience draw a certain conclusion. Some of them are red herrings to set the audience up for a twist others are actually hints of the truth. I don't think there is necessarily anything 'in story' that is evidence either way including Maz's statement (which can be and is interpreted both ways) beyond perhaps the forceback and the light saber calling to Rey. You disagree with that and that's fine.



The hints and themes, however, all seem to point to Rey being Luke's daughter or at least a Skywalker by blood. The way she starts out in the movie. Living a hard solitary life on a desert world oblivious to the galaxy at large until a droid carrying important information comes into her life and ends up pulling her into the galactic conflict. Yes, that mirrors the OT and creating nostalgia is at least part of the reason for it but isn't necessarily the only reason for it. Daisy said in an interview that how she starts out is a clue to who she is and that possibly points to Luke as her father.

Her first adventure with Han ending with him essentially offering her a job also mirrors Luke's journey. Again, nostalgia or hint or possibly both.

The light saber calling to her seems to be a big point of contention for you. I don't think anyone is saying it's concrete 'in story' evidence that she is Luke's daughter but rather a huge hint to the audience that points towards that outcome. Otherwise why make such a big deal about the saber's origins? The saber isn't necessarily important in of itself. Luke lost it in ESB and built himself a new one which he most likely still has or has built yet another replacement for it if it was lost sometime after ROTJ. It's only relevance is to make the audience wonder why the Skywalker light saber called to her.

The forceback starts out all about Luke. First there is his battle with Vader on Bespin. Then Luke grieving over the loss of his Jedi order then we see Kylo, Luke's greatest Failure as a Jedi, than finally Rey's abandonment on Jakku. Now it could be argued that the early parts were memories from the saber but, if so, why wasn't there any of Anakin's memories in the forceback and how would the saber know of the Jedi's destruction when it likely wasn't in Luke's possession at the time? I think it was all from the force. Either way, in Rey's most personal moments in the movie, Luke plays the biggest role. That could just have been the force showing Rey her destiny but could have and likely was seen by a significant if not the majority of the audience as a hint that Luke was her father.

Finally there is Rey's strong force ability. We know that Skywalkers are extremely strong in the Force and Rey was shown to have a Force ability that was at least equal to if not stronger than a known Skywalker in TFA (Kylo Ren). Therefore, it's a natural assumption to think she is likely a Skywalker too and, since the movie seemed to go out of it's way to indicate she wasn't Han and Leia's kid (without actually saying so), The obvious conclusion, with all of the other hints in the movie, is that she is Luke's kid.

The fact is, Rey is constantly connected to Luke throughout the movie. You're right that it could just be the Force guiding a new student to the last Jedi but this is a saga film and saga films are about family (no, I'm not going back to the pattern or KK's statement here ). The natural assumption by at least the majority of the audience especially the the casual viewers would be that they are connected because they are related and the hints point to father-daughter. Also, given that it's a JJ film, it could also be JJ's mystery box way of telling us that Luke is her father without actually telling us.

BTW: I don't think Luke being her father would be the intended big reveal. If Luke turns out to be her father, I think the big reveal will have to do with her mother.

 

Because she knows that they will never go to Jakku looking for her and also senses that Rey knows that too. That doesn't, in any way, indicate that she thinks they are dead and, we know from 'Rey's Story', that Rey doesn't think Maz was telling her they were dead.

You're right as far as actual evidence goes but the hints all point to Luke being her father.

That makes sense too. Again, I'm not talking actual evidence just things in the movie that could make the audience think Luke could be her father.

I think it all depends on where it came from and what it was meant to tell her and us. The Forceback is the most revelatory part of the movie as far as Rey goes. we get a glimpse of her origins whether we are able to fully understand what we are seeing or not. We see both Luke and Rey in moments of tragedy with Kylo connecting both moments in the scene. Was that meant to imply a strong connection between all three of them, perhaps a familial one, or just that it's Rey's destiny to train with one and destroy the other? JJ's storytelling history would suggest the deeper meaning and the deeper meaning would be the familial one.

Would people be calling her a Mary-Sue if it wasn't already known that she was extremely powerful in the Force?

Which part do you disagree with? The part where I say you're right? The part about JJ or the last part about the reveal? I look forward to next time


BTW: I know I can be pretty obstinate during a debate but I do concede that it's possible I could end up being wrong come December (But I'm not! ).

 

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what the Force shows Rey during the Forceback could just be the connections of the previous owners, right? like, seeing Luke fighting Vader because that was a huge moment for both of them, so the crystal sort of holds onto that stuff, right? but then when you think about it, why didn't it show Rey the time Anakin killed a bunch of younglings? that's arguably a pretty important moment... seems strange.

if the visions aren't related to a previous owner's experiences, then why did it show Luke at Bespin, Luke grieving, Kylo killing, and then Rey being abandoned? was the Force just trying to give Rey a quick synopsis of the Skywalker history so that she's up to date? but then, why leave out Anakin and any part of his history from the PT?

it seems to me that whatever message is trying to be conveyed, it's a personal one meant for Rey. it seems doubtful that this is a run through of the Skywalker family history, or that the crystal is simply communicating previous experiences it "personally" witnessed.

 

I tend to agree. I don't think we will fully understand it until we have the next two films. Like with ANH, after ESB and ROTJ, TLJ and Episode IX will make the Forceback clearer.

 

maybe its not so much that it is discouraging but maybe Maz is following the bidding of the force. It;s possible that she is allowing the force to guide her words ans actions. Also we don;t know the relationship between Maz and Luke and Han at the present. It's quite possible that she is acting under Lukes orders not to tell Rey specifically but to nudge her in the right direction and let the force do its work. And as for Luke maybe he is also acting under the influence of the force. The truth is all of us have interpretations of the movie and what it does or doesn't say about Rey. But really until the trilogy is over or her back story is revealed. we will never know the answer.

Let's say that Maz did say Luke was her father. In VIII Luke could just deny it and make us all believe that he is not. For example in Empire, Vader tells Luke "I am your Father." but we were also given confirmation of this by Yoda. In A new Hope Obi-Wan tells Luke his father was killed by Vader in the clone Wars. Its a writing tool called misdirection.

The brilliance of TFA is that it is filled with. There is plenty of clues leading to many answers for Rey, and plenty poking holes in theories. A wise man once said "Luke You will find that many of the truths that that we cling to, depend greatly on our point of view." At this point I believe it is very likely that Rey is a Skywalker, not because that's what I want. But because I believe that it would be an interesting story, and I think there is plenty of evidence to support it. I'm not saying that she 100% will be, but I think at this point it is foolish discount any theory, and from my point of view Rey Skywalker is the most likely one.

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What if the Krystal was releasing sealed specters of Rey's past and also revealing visions of the future. Meaning what if Rey has blocked memories that the Khyber crystal was trying to remind her about and at the same time was trying to warn her of the imminent danger and show her the path in Luke.

 

That's an interesting thought. Who would be the mother then?

Personally, I don't see how the big reveal could be that Rey's mother was a previously unknown character, but I suppose Rey could be Luke and Leia's kid together.

Someone did say TLJ was like Game of Thrones.

It would explain why she was abandoned on Jakku.

It would explain why no one wants to tell Rey.

 

I agree. Kylo being Han Solo's son wasn't handled as a big reveal either.

 

They seem to want us to be wondering who Rey really is so I guess they must have a big reveal. I think she will turn out to be the result of an imperial experiment and have no real parents, but not sure if that qualifies as a big reveal. They heavily hinted Luke is her father so I don't think that can be it.

 

If Luke turns out to have killed them then You may well be right that they probably won't have been entirely evil, just on the wrong side. That would create more conflict in Rey and make it more plausible when she flirts with the dark side as a result...

I suspect that we'll get an answer of sorts to the question of who her parents were in TLJ, but no real explanation until IX.

 

This came from MakingStarWars and he was talking about the look of the film. It wasn't about story elements. Also, MSW is leaning toward Rey being a disconnected from the Skywalker bloodline.

 

I know. Joking about Luke and Leia. Although it would explain so much...

My view is that Rey really is 'nobody' in that she has no parents at all, but if I'm wrong and Rey is Luke's daughter I would guess the mother will be Laura Dern's character...

 

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