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End of Kanan, Ezra & Ahsoka

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by Canadian Ronin, May 17, 2017.

  1. AlDavis

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    Like Rogue One, Kanan and Ezra are the LAST HOPE for a all or nothing mission. Something fairly in line with the Death Star itself or its predecessor. Something the Empire had going to finish off while still constructing the Death Star. Maybe a Ship half the size more egg like. And they sacrifice themselves to destroy it. With out realizing the Deathstar is a bigger threat around the corner until to late, sending only one transmission to a local rebel station with only HOPE that they can forewarn of a bigger threat. Spawning the birth of Cassians mission.

    Ashoka however LIVES. She IS the "there is another" Yoda speaks of in the OT, not Leia. Ashoka, like Luke now in the Sequel Trilogy, is in meditation on a quest to the temples whether Sith or Jedi. We may see her again in this season, but it will be unsatisfying because like possibly grupy old Luke. She is not gonna fight and is walking away to a path of discovery. She will disappoint Ezra and Kanan in the moment, but her words will be the last thing both Kanan and Ezra will think of prior to being destroyed. It will poetic and ironic justice. A balance they discover in the last moment via her words they remember together.
     
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    don't forget all the other Jedi (and younglings) from Order 66, the city of Jedha, the Emporer, oh and the entire planet of Alderaan, AND the whole hosnian system... ;)
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    This is an interesting topic. First of all, there is the paradox of Yoda and Ghost Obi's conversation in ESB. We assume "there is another" refers to Leia. and that is that. All other Jedi are dead. end of story.

    which leads me to believe the theories that Kanan and Ezra have to die are definitely valid in my opinion. And with the way we left Ashoka in the last season of rebels, Id be very surprised if she didn't come back corrupted by the dark side - leaving Ezra and Kanan to defeat her. Good that story line is tied up.

    Now for Ezra and Kanan. a simple answer to this would be to kill off one of them in that battle and leave the other to go into exile, for shame of his failure. (personally, i see them killing Ezra and leaving Kanan alone with his failure as a teacher. that would have the most impact and make the most sense)

    BUT - there are a few things to consider. 1) Phoenix squad is in a heated battle with Thrawn, that has yet to be concluded - maybe their fates are intertwined. Maybe they get chased into the unknown regions. maybe its really boring and they are just rotting in some crazy imperial prison somewhere hooked up to some crazy machines a la Aftermath: Life Debt 2) Obi-Wan and Ezra have met so regardless of his main character status, he should definitely die. 3) a final showdown between the rebels heroes & Vader, maybe even Palpatine would really seal the deal on the failing rebellion. making RO that much more impactful. 4) What if they encountered Snoke, (there are rumors that he was around to witness the rise and fall of the empire.) could be a fun tie into the new cannon, and Disney is loving their tie-ins right now (tie-ins so hot right now)
     
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  3. Canadian Ronin

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    "Yoda spoke of another"

    "The other he spoke of was your twin sister"
     
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    Where is this solidified? I take the "there is another" as being undefined in canon
     
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    Watch Return of the Jedi.
    LUKE
    Yoda spoke of another.

    BEN
    The other he spoke of is your twin sister.

    LUKE
    But I have no sister.

    BEN
    Hmm. To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from your
    father when you were born. The Emperor knew, as I did, if Anakin were
    to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him. That is the
    reason why your sister remains safely anonymous.

    LUKE
    Leia! Leia's my sister.

    BEN
    Your insight serves you well. Bury your feelings deep down, Luke. They
    do you credit.
    But they could be made to serve the Emperor.
     
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    I believe the 2 times Yoda spoke of another he spoke of 2 different anothers:

    Obiwan: That boy is our last hope
    Yoda: No there is another
    Thats the one, the one I think is Ashoka in meditation somewhere.

    Then the conversation when Yoda was dying:
    Yoda: There is another Sky..walk...eeer
    This is specific to the Skywalkers. His revealing of his sister to him in his dying breath.

    I never believed that in both instances that the "another" were the same. Yoda knew Leia was not strong in the force, force-sensitive yes but powerful being sure not a force-user.

    I dont think that it is solidified, and still open for interpretation
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    However, I think Leia did share the load saving the galaxy. She was immensely powerful on a political platform.
     
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    Lucas never made connections easy or obvious. Thanks though @Canadian Ronin
     
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    Yes he did. You're trying to create something that isn't there to fit Ahsoka in.

    If Ahsoka is out there and both Obi-wan and Yoda know about her - why isn't Luke going to her for training or help?
     
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    @Canadian Ronin Maybe a Reach, true. However, Yoda would understand the failure of the Jedi Council at this point. Fighting is not always the answer. Her connection into the force and path of discovery would be more important. Not to mention Yoda is a teacher, Ashoka never was, in constant learning she was.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 25, 2017, Original Post Date: May 25, 2017 ---
    And.... only Luke could bring back Anakin, Ashoka couldnt. This was his fight, the unknowns of lineage and of Anakins past needed to be slowly learn of Luke. So his passions wouldnt overtake him. The story of Anakin the way Ashoka would tell it over force ghost Obiwan would be different. If Luke lost this fight to Darh Vader, the "another" would have to be called to help defeat the emperor and impending darkness.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 25, 2017 ---
    Reading Bloodline Leia seemed to have too much doubt of her force power to ever be "another".
    @Canadian Ronin What a lovely debate. Thank You, a great way to start the day. May the force be with you!
     
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    Really? Yoda' solution to this problem killing Vader and the Emperor. And sure Yoda is the better choice to train Luke, but Yoda admitted:
    LUKE
    Unfortunate that I know the truth?

    Yoda opens his eyes again and studies the youth.

    YODA (gathering all his strength)
    No. Unfortunate that you rushed to face him... that incomplete was your
    training. Not
    ready for the burden were you.

    Getting trained by SOMEONE when your training is incomplete is better then just going in half-trained no? And if not, how about some back-up? How about going in 2v2 instead of out numbered? It makes ZERO SENSE that Yoda would know of Ahsoke and NOT send Luke to her.


    Yoda didn't want to bring Anakin back:
    YODA
    Stopped they must be. On this
    all depends. Only a fully trained
    Jedi Knight with the Force as his
    ally will conquer Vader and his
    Emperor. If you end your training
    now, if you choose the quick and
    easy path, as Vader did, you will
    become an agent of evil.

    Remember, Luke brought Anakin back because he knew that he was his father. Yoda said Luke learning that UNFORTUNATE.

    Ahsoka is not the other Yoda is referring too.
     
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    And yet Yoda was wrong.
     
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    about what?
     
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    " If you end your training
    now, if you choose the quick and
    easy path, as Vader did, you will
    become an agent of evil."
    Luke did not, he went to help his friends in the immediate, without completion of training. And came away (one-handed) but without falling to the dark
     
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    But Luke didn't pick the easy path - he rejected it when Vader offered it to him.

    I still don't get your point though.
     
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    Luke's story is not over yet. He could still end up as an agent of evil and Yoda would have been right. His Path did not end when Vader and Palpatine's did.
     
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    To retcon Ahsoka to be the "other" Yoda spoke of would just unbalance the saga. It's also a highly unnecessary switch up, doesn't need to happen just to ensure she isn't killed off.

    No AhsokaWolves, no unnecessary retcons.

    Dave, give the story some punch. Kill off Kanan and Ahsoka (and potentially Ezra!) and really give us the size of the odds facing the Rebellion come A New Hope.
     
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    I do not believe that Ahsoka (or Ezra or Kanan) is the "other". However, I want my Ahsoka Force Wolf. Canon or continuity or logic be damned. :)
     
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    Yoda waves to Ashoka as her, Kanan and Ezra are leaving the temple during Shroud of Darkness in season 2.
     
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    Thanks can't believe I forgot that so yep looks like Ashoka is toast that is if she isn't already dead.
     
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