1. Due to the increased amount of spam bots on the forum, we are strengthening our defenses. You may experience a CAPTCHA challenge from time to time.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice
Spam Control Cantina Notification Emails Create Threads and Rate Posts Similar Threads

R.I.P. Maul.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by McDiarmid, May 26, 2017.

Page 1 of 3
  1. McDiarmid

    McDiarmid Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2016
    Posts:
    3,481
    Likes Received:
    3,898
    Trophy Points:
    12,517
    Credits:
    6,786
    Ratings:
    +7,941 / 410 / -137
    So,Maul's quest for vengeance is over.

    Obi-Wan indeed became immensly powerfull in his last years.

    As you already know he finished Maul's life , in order to prevent him to find, Luke .

    Meme to this great moment in Star Wars that has been left outspoken in my opinion.

    Why is Maul asking ,in his last words , if Luke is chosen one? And Obi-Wan confirms this?

     
    #1 McDiarmid, May 26, 2017
    Last edited: May 27, 2017
    • Like Like x 8
    • Great Post Great Post x 2
  2. LadyMusashi

    LadyMusashi Archwizard Woo-Woo-in-Chief
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2015
    Posts:
    4,583
    Likes Received:
    37,161
    Trophy Points:
    161,027
    Credits:
    36,756
    Ratings:
    +44,803 / 45 / -17
    Maul is asking if whoever Obi-Wan is guarding is the Chosen One because more than anyone, more than Obi-Wan himself, he hates Palpatine and he knows of the Prophesy. With Palpatine at the height of his power the only balance the Chosen One will bring is by destruction of Sith/Palpatine.

    Obi-Wan confirms this because he no longer believes that Anakin is the Chosen One. "You WERE the Chosen One! You were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them. You were supposed to bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness!" Obi-Wan has to believe that the reading of the Prophesy was wrong and that Luke actually has this role. We know he is wrong, the one who destroys the Sith is actually Anakin. Plus, there is an element of compassion to Obi-Wan, he wants to give Maul some kind of peace before he goes to the oblivion - the only thing Sith, who can't let go of his hate ('He will avenge us.' - me, you, my brother) can do.
     
    #2 LadyMusashi, May 27, 2017
    • Like Like x 8
    • Wise Wise x 5
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
  3. Boushhdisguise

    Boushhdisguise Jedi General

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    Posts:
    1,416
    Likes Received:
    22,168
    Trophy Points:
    148,617
    Credits:
    16,911
    Ratings:
    +24,666 / 20 / -3
    Yeah, remember Obi-Wan and his certain point of view. Of course, Anakin was the supposed Chosen One, but Obi-Wan isn't going to believe that. He gave up on him, but Luke did not.
     
    #3 Boushhdisguise, May 27, 2017
    • Like Like x 5
    • Great Post Great Post x 2
    • Wise Wise x 2
  4. McDiarmid

    McDiarmid Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2016
    Posts:
    3,481
    Likes Received:
    3,898
    Trophy Points:
    12,517
    Credits:
    6,786
    Ratings:
    +7,941 / 410 / -137
    I am glad Maul found peace,he found the truth in last moments of his life, and great Ben Kenobi offered him satissfaction of that truth, that Luke will revenge him to.

    So did Maul truly lose the battle? I don’t think either of them really “won,” unless you count Obi-Wan’s ascension to the moral high ground. At the end of the duel, Maul and Obi-Wan are just men who are hurting and clinging to any hope they can find. That hope is what Obi-Wan protects, and Maul gets that. And it gives him hope, too. At last.

    I find great thing and interesting Fact, that Luke who is still active in Sequel trilogy, is the one that brought the balance.
     
    #4 McDiarmid, May 27, 2017
    Last edited: May 27, 2017
    • Like Like x 6
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
    • Original Original x 1
    • Clouded Clouded x 1
  5. Grand Master Galen Marek

    Grand Master Galen Marek Jedi General

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2015
    Posts:
    22,091
    Likes Received:
    101,677
    Trophy Points:
    176,317
    Credits:
    48,362
    Ratings:
    +115,549 / 340 / -131
    He had a long history of hate for Obi Wan & had to be stopped, in regards to their final conversation, I believe Maul found peace that it wasn't his destiny to get vengeance against Sidious as did Obi Wan.
     
    #5 Grand Master Galen Marek, May 27, 2017
    • Like Like x 3
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
  6. McDiarmid

    McDiarmid Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2016
    Posts:
    3,481
    Likes Received:
    3,898
    Trophy Points:
    12,517
    Credits:
    6,786
    Ratings:
    +7,941 / 410 / -137
    Definitely.
    So, the canonized fact is now Luke was that chosen one.
    I am puzzled why this fundamental addition to the Canon has not been widely debated.
     
    #6 McDiarmid, May 27, 2017
    • Like Like x 2
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
    • Clouded Clouded x 1
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  7. Addi Ras

    Addi Ras MASTER TEA MAKER
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2015
    Posts:
    4,755
    Likes Received:
    67,589
    Trophy Points:
    171,477
    Credits:
    33,335
    Ratings:
    +71,772 / 13 / -5
    No he isn't @LadyMusashi explained it in her post Obi-Wan was wrong Anakin is still & will always be the chosen one.
     
    #7 Addi Ras, May 27, 2017
    • Wise Wise x 4
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  8. LadyMusashi

    LadyMusashi Archwizard Woo-Woo-in-Chief
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2015
    Posts:
    4,583
    Likes Received:
    37,161
    Trophy Points:
    161,027
    Credits:
    36,756
    Ratings:
    +44,803 / 45 / -17
    If anything, Lucas canonized the fact that Anakin was the Chosen One in the prequels. For us who grew up with OT, Chosen One wasn't even a thing. :)
     
    #8 LadyMusashi, May 27, 2017
    • Like Like x 6
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  9. McDiarmid

    McDiarmid Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2016
    Posts:
    3,481
    Likes Received:
    3,898
    Trophy Points:
    12,517
    Credits:
    6,786
    Ratings:
    +7,941 / 410 / -137
    I think however Obi-Wan brings us a new light, Luke is Chosen one,from certain point od view. Without Luke there will be Darkness,forever and Anakin could not fulfill prophesy.. The knowledge from novel Bloodline makes me think we can talk from now on about Chosen bloodline.
     
    #9 McDiarmid, May 27, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2017
    • Like Like x 2
    • Original Original x 2
    • Clouded Clouded x 1
  10. McDiarmid

    McDiarmid Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2016
    Posts:
    3,481
    Likes Received:
    3,898
    Trophy Points:
    12,517
    Credits:
    6,786
    Ratings:
    +7,941 / 410 / -137
    Its , as it appears now, not a person,but a bloodline in fact

    [​IMG]
     
    #10 McDiarmid, May 27, 2017
    Last edited: May 27, 2017
    • Like Like x 5
  11. CTrent29

    CTrent29 Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2015
    Posts:
    1,503
    Likes Received:
    1,511
    Trophy Points:
    6,192
    Credits:
    2,608
    Ratings:
    +2,411 / 394 / -178

    That's because the Chosen One aspect of the saga's narrative wasn't introduced until the Prequel Trilogy.



    I hope not. I really wish that Disney and Kennedy had let it go. But if this is true, apparently they seemed to want a "Chosen One" narrative that conforms to the expectations of many. How unoriginal of them.
     
    #11 CTrent29, May 27, 2017
    • Clouded Clouded x 1
  12. LadyMusashi

    LadyMusashi Archwizard Woo-Woo-in-Chief
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2015
    Posts:
    4,583
    Likes Received:
    37,161
    Trophy Points:
    161,027
    Credits:
    36,756
    Ratings:
    +44,803 / 45 / -17
    Lucasfilm will not touch Lucas' canon. Kathleen Kennedy openly laughed at the very idea of even returning OT to its previous state (which was also Lucas' creation).

    For Lucas, Anakin was Chosen One. And so is for the current Lucasfilm.



    In Rebels Recon after Zero Hour, he also said:

     
    #12 LadyMusashi, May 27, 2017
    • Like Like x 6
    • Great Post Great Post x 5
    • Informative Informative x 1
  13. Wayward Jedi

    Wayward Jedi Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2017
    Posts:
    70
    Likes Received:
    197
    Trophy Points:
    1,172
    Credits:
    706
    Ratings:
    +304 / 0 / -1
    This duel really accents Obi-Wan's decision to just give up in ANH as opposed to continue fighting. He might have been able to win, but seeing Luke really made him see the bigger picture.
     
    #13 Wayward Jedi, Jun 9, 2017
    • Like Like x 4
    • Wise Wise x 2
  14. Darth Basin The Greatest

    Darth Basin The Greatest Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2016
    Posts:
    2,001
    Likes Received:
    2,603
    Trophy Points:
    8,842
    Credits:
    4,014
    Ratings:
    +4,431 / 293 / -150
    Ok what is balance of the Force? Did Anakin destroy the Sith? Yes. Did he bring balance 2 the Force? Well we have The Church of the Force, The Bendu, Snoke, The Knights of Ren, Maz, What ever the heck DJ is in TLJ, Ezra, Kanan & so forth & so on.

    That's not balance. That's a jumble.

    Anakin was not the Chosen One.
     
    #14 Darth Basin The Greatest, Jun 13, 2017
  15. Amanaman

    Amanaman Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2015
    Posts:
    1,337
    Likes Received:
    2,387
    Trophy Points:
    9,917
    Credits:
    5,686
    Ratings:
    +3,760 / 238 / -86
    I have to say I was a bit bummed by the way Maul died. That it were done at the hands of Kenobi was excellent but in the way it was done was really poor. What a sad way to see such an interesting character go. :(
     
    #15 Amanaman, Jun 13, 2017
    • Like Like x 1
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  16. SegNerd

    SegNerd Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2015
    Posts:
    698
    Likes Received:
    1,185
    Trophy Points:
    7,392
    Credits:
    2,577
    Ratings:
    +1,824 / 46 / -7
    I agree that the ST contradicts the implied meaning of the PT and OT (the final triumph of good over evil). I prefer to think of myself as a "Lucasist" and rather than saying that this means the PT was wrong, instead it means that the ST is a retcon that just doesn't fit with the original idea (again, just my opinion).

    I'm not sure the Bendu causes any issue with the balance idea, though. He's neutral. How does that imbalance anything? And while the fate of Kanan and Ezra is currently unknown, whatever happens to them will probably be sorted out long before ROTJ and the "balancing."
     
    #16 SegNerd, Jun 13, 2017
    • Like Like x 1
  17. Pawek_13

    Pawek_13 Jedi General

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2016
    Posts:
    3,384
    Likes Received:
    15,619
    Trophy Points:
    144,707
    Credits:
    15,356
    Ratings:
    +20,519 / 72 / -32
    He balanced the Force in the Mortis Arc by killing the Son.
     
    #17 Pawek_13, Jun 13, 2017
    • Informative Informative x 1
  18. NotQyteNeo

    NotQyteNeo Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2016
    Posts:
    508
    Likes Received:
    4,639
    Trophy Points:
    12,992
    Credits:
    4,580
    Ratings:
    +5,041 / 14 / -2
    Agreed, it was just to easy IMO. It was like [dialogue, dialogue] .... [posture, posture, posture] ... then Pffft! ... a quick strike by Maul and Obi-Wan kills him like he was a Jawa. I expected a much more epic battle.
     
    #18 NotQyteNeo, Jun 13, 2017
    • Like Like x 1
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  19. Darth Basin The Greatest

    Darth Basin The Greatest Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2016
    Posts:
    2,001
    Likes Received:
    2,603
    Trophy Points:
    8,842
    Credits:
    4,014
    Ratings:
    +4,431 / 293 / -150
    Yeah. I wished we got 10 moves minimum.
     
    #19 Darth Basin The Greatest, Jun 14, 2017
    • Funny Funny x 1
  20. porkozone

    porkozone Rebel General

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2015
    Posts:
    161
    Likes Received:
    276
    Trophy Points:
    3,657
    Credits:
    997
    Ratings:
    +376 / 0 / -1
    Bendu wasn't truly "neutral" - he just wanted to be left alone. When Kanan pushed his buttons, it was pretty evident that all the talk of being "in the middle" was mostly just talk. Hermits aren't neutral just because they go off by themselves.
     
    #20 porkozone, Jun 14, 2017
    • Like Like x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Page 1 of 3
Loading...
Similar Threads
  1. SWNN Probe

    Darth Maul: Black, White & Red Miniseries Announced by Marvel

    SWNN Probe, Jan 24, 2024, in forum: SWNN News Feed
    Replies:
    1
    Views:
    205
    SWNN Probe
    Jan 24, 2024
  2. SWNN Probe

    Fortnite Adds Darth Maul, Anakin, and Padmé in Prequel Trilogy-Themed Event

    SWNN Probe, May 2, 2023, in forum: SWNN News Feed
    Replies:
    1
    Views:
    1,161
    SWNN Probe
    May 2, 2023
  3. jan blakstar

    Qui-Gon Jinn and Darth Maul

    jan blakstar, Feb 20, 2023, in forum: Prequel Trilogy
    Replies:
    3
    Views:
    393
    MBWilson
    Feb 22, 2023
  4. SWNN Probe

    Star Wars Animation Writer Henry Gilroy Talks George Lucas, Darth Maul, and Annoying Show Notes

    SWNN Probe, Jan 27, 2023, in forum: SWNN News Feed
    Replies:
    1
    Views:
    399
    SWNN Probe
    Jan 27, 2023
  5. SWNN Probe

    Obi-Wan Kenobi: Ewan McGregor on Facing Darth Vader; Deborah Chow Debunks Story That Maul Was Involved in Series

    SWNN Probe, Apr 25, 2022, in forum: SWNN News Feed
    Replies:
    2
    Views:
    668
    Lord of the Rens
    Apr 25, 2022

Share This Page