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Why Didn't Palp Just Go Get Anakin and Train Him?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by SegNerd, Oct 20, 2017.

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    Are you kidding? Anakin isn't evil, quigon would rip him apart, Yoda would ditch the council and rip him apart, Padme would take a sword up, and rip him apart, come on, really? Dark doesn't mean evil, but you know nothing, of the dark side of the Force,
    if you thought hiding, when the galaxy is bathed in scorching suns, was not, wise
    Anakin tore his mind apart for years, in their meetings of friendship, or whatever, and shared the name Darth Vader with him; some secret name, surely, but monsters don't train you, they torture you,
    and with kids like Anakin, he was sure he could just, tap his fury, when his plans came to fruitions, because it would cause him more pain than you've ever gaeven yourself
    perspective, to imagine, boy!
    He's a gross hell lord, and wouldn't die, if you just, sliced him up, he's barely in that body, he's a witch, he can't survive as a Sith ghost? well no, not by the time Anakin's ripped his plans apart across the galaxy as a sovereign free agent, Darth Vader, hand of the emperor? No, he was Darth Vader, no such device existed, that was not him.
    And he killed the others, all. So by the time he and Luke could do it, Palpatine had no hope, for power, ever at all, and he died in final fatality. Lke Windu died when the same happened to him?
    Well, there's more story, but Windu had to die like that, he was evil, Anakin isn't
     
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    yes I can understand u cleerly about this threed
     
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    I keep forgetting about the Star Wars fandom and its never ending attempt to bash Mace Windu in some manner. I'm really beginning to wonder if many fans cannot deal with a black actor or actress portraying a high-ranking Jedi Master.
     
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    First. If I'm correct, one of the big differences between Sith and Jedi is, Jedi take their future padawans babies in order to train them in the Jedi spirit their whole life, without any other references (no parents, no personal life, no personal experience). Sith take their apprentices older. By the time Palpatine took Maul, Any was too young to be taken as a Sith Apprentice.
    Second. When he was still on Tatooine, Any was nothing but a rough gem. A diamond, when you extract it from the ground, is quite ugly ; it needs to be cut and polished a lot before becoming a precious and glittering jewel. So was Any on Tatooine : a rough gem not yet very skilled in the Force (apart his exceptionnal talents for podracing). The Jedi only sensed him when landing on Tatooine and it was not clear (Qui-Gon said "I sense a great disturbance in the Force" and not "Hey there is on this planet a powerful force user"). I think Palpatine couldn't sense it from Coruscant. Further: in the Plagueis novel (not canon I know), it is clearly written that Palpatine felt nothing when he encountered the young boy on Naboo by the end of TPM:
    palp-any1.jpg . . . palp-any2.jpg





    we wouldn't have had TFA, nor the return of the Han and Chewie, nor an old General Leia, nor 12 seconds of bearded Luke on Acht-To, nor Unkar Plutt.... nor Rogue One and dat AMAGAD FREAKING VADER SCENE THE HELL HOW GOOD IT WAS (sorry I cannot stay quiet and serene when I think of this)... nor these final hype days we're all waiting for TLJ to come onscreen... :)

    .... well, the only thing (to me) to wish is Disney has never wiped the canon.
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    Palps tells young Skywalker"We'll watch your career with great interest" If he had taken Anakin and trained him at a young age it would have been like a sore thumb standing out. I guess he could've adopted him, but I'd say the minute he met him he knew he was special and was already under guidance, so he just waited.
     
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    This is a not bad theory ! nice
     
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    Because that wouldn't fill an entire trilogy, lol. But seriously, i think anakin age 9 was this friendly kind hearted kid who wouldn't take to the dark side without the manipulation. We never had confirmation that palpatine or plagueis knocked up schmi, just theories, so he may not have known of him until he arrived at coruscant with obi wan. We may never know the entire story of anakins conception and when he became palpatines intended apprentice
     
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    First: Plagous Didn’t Know How Well Palpatine Was Training Maul, But He Probably Would Sense Such A Powerful Force User Like Anakin

    Second: Palpatine Didn’t Know Anakin Existed Until Qui-Gon And Obi-Wan Found Him
     
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    I still wish to God that Lucas had never sold the franchise to Disney.
     
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    Sometimes I wonder if Lucas wishes that too. :)

    This is a tough question for me, because I have to say that I personally am not a fan of the ST and it feels a bit “recycled.” I also felt that TFA was lacking in excitement and character development.

    But I love Rogue One.
     
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    Well, I believe the book stated that Palpatine and Plagueis never actually created Anakin, that what happened was when the Sith were trying to manipulate the Midi-Chlorians the Force responded by creating Anakin, thus setting in motion the prophecy of the Chosen One.

    No matter what you believe, the simple answer is that Palpatine never knew about Anakin until the events of TPM. So there was no way he could possibly go and get him as a child.

    The fact is that none of Palpatine's plans to take over Republic ever hinged on Anakin. Anakin was a prize that if Palpatine could get to join him, would be a bonus, but the plan all along was to take over the Republic. Palpatine might have delayed his over all plan a little in order to accommodate his grooming of Anakin, but, what becomes clear in ROTS is that Palpatine realizes Anakin is primed and ready, and thus moves his overall plan forward.

    If Anakin joins Palpatine than cool, Palpatine just gained as powerful an apprentice as the Sith ever had, and solidifies the Sith for generations to come. If Anakin doesn't join Palpatine, well Anakin will die with his Jedi brothers and sisters.
     
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    He didn't know about Anakin from the beginning - He was only brought to his attention at the end of TPM.
     
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    First off, to let Anakin kill of his current apprentice, Dooku. Also you can see why with Yodas Phrase
    Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to Hate, Hate leads to Suffering
    Fear = Slave on Tattoinne
    Anger = Tusken Raiders
    Hate = After the Duel on Mustafar
    Suffering = Darth Vader
    The biggest sith have in some way Feared, then been Angry which led to Hate, then being a Sith. If Palpatine wanted to overthrow the jedi he needed a strong apprentice, being Vader. He let him go through the full trauma cycle.
     
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    He didn't know about Anakin until near the end of "TPM". By that time, the Jedi were aware of Anakin as well.
     
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    I honestly don't understand the hate behind him. I always thought he was super cool, he's one of my favorite Jedi masters up there with Plo Koon and Kit Fisto.
     
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    Palpatine Didn’t Know Anakin Existed Until Qui-Gon Had Already Found Him. And Taking Him From The Jedi Was Too Risky, He Sent Darth Maul To Fetch Anakin After Qui-Gon Imformed The Ordef Though Which Is Why Maul Was On Tattoine.
     
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    Are you serious? he was scared of him.. Anakin was evil and could talk to Yoda Obiwan, terrifies Palpatine, and Anakin was his friend.. you don't think Obiwan used to show up, just to scare the hell out of that stupid chancellor? It's a play, by the end, Obiwan is positioning Anakin to rip apart the empire as a free agent, making sure they have a jedi with all the baking of the imperials, and it's Anakin, for goodness sake, he never lost sight,
    "give in to your anger," is that what Luke saw? Darth Vader fought with inner peace, not rage. But like, he's not afraid of rage, or you know, playing along, all the time,

    you don't think they have to be smart? Anakin was killing that guy, but do you know what a Sith ghost is? he had to completely rip apart his mind, Yoda only left his fight with Sideous because he wanted him to think even the jedi can't tap unlimited power, Palpatine was dying in it, but he only understands torture, he's a witch
    Yoda's a god, but if you make him think, the gods have to fight him, to win, he'll never stop, because the fight, is, the torture, so you know, he could be floating that hover machine with his mind, with ease, but he can't animate and stimulate his leg muscles? it's a show; a con... the jedi win, because they plan to
    "NO one can kill a jedi," "your old master has discovered the secret to immortality," "you'll Die without your helmet!"
     
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    I don't think he knew of Anakin till he arrived to Coruscant with Quigon and Obiwan. It really doesn't seem that Sidious knew of Anakin's potential until after the Battle of Naboo (unless you take DARTH PLAGUEIS novel as canon,then Palps knew of Anakin's potential before the Naboo battle ended)
     
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    When Palpatine tells young Anakin "We shall watch your career with great interest" it implied (at least to me) that Palpatine was unaware of Anakin before that.

    But we also need to remember that Palpatine was planning on destroying the Jedi using Order 66. The whole reason for the Separatist war was to get the Jedi and the clones together. Palpatine had already set that in motion before Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan landed with Amidala on Naboo. The point is that Vader or not, Palpatine was already taking steps to end the Jedi Knights.

    And he was building a Death Star.

    So the real question becomes why did Palpatine want Darth Vader at all?
     
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    Because having a powerfull ally makes everything much easier? As he said in RotS, he was behind someone younger and more powerful to replace Dooku, and this someone being in the enemy's side only made everything better, so now he could destroy the jedi from the inside. Anakin/Vader was not essential to Palps plans, but it was that missing piece that made everything match so perfectly that he couldn't lose anymore. Besides, there was too the legacy question, and Palpy was all about it. He didn't only want to rule, but most important he wanted his Empire to go on after he was gone (as seen in new cannon). From his discussion in his fight with Yoda, it's secure to assume that before Anakin's defeat in Mustafar, he really thought that Vader was going to become stronger than him, so having this aprentice was so important too to maintain his legacy going on stronger and stronger, maintaining a Sith dynasty for generations.
     
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