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What B&W Can Bring to Star Wars

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by cawatrooper, Feb 9, 2018.

  1. cawatrooper

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    There's been a lot of talk about how Benioff and Weiss (no, not that one) may bring a more mature tone to Star Wars, but I think that Star Wars goes a lot deeper than that. I think there are some other things that this duo can bring that Star Wars could definitely benefit from.

    Filming Techniques

    If we're talking Game of Thrones, we have some really impressive camera work. For instance, consider this scene from S6E9.

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    That extended cut of a battle scene actually goes on for much longer than this gif even demonstrates, and it's a really incredible and immersive shot of battle. Star Wars has dabbled in some really impressive shots before, too, and in my opinion the long tracking shots pay off quite a bit. In fact, this may well be my favorite shot of the entire series:

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    Even in more simple circumstances, though, they know how to film a shot. Stuff from the beautifully mythical...

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    To clever character studies


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    To even relatively mundane shots with skillful use of light.

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    Many of these effects are relatively practical (the dragons consume the Lannister's share of the budget, naturally) and could help us get more shots like these
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    (I know that last one never made it into the film but it should have!)


    Thematic Experience?

    A couple of caveats with this. First, Benioff and Weiss have clearly done more than just GOT, but for the purpose of this thread, that's currently my focus (if we want to expand on their other works in the comments, I think that would certainly be appropriate). Second, I think a lot of the narrative decisions in GOT were obviously GRRM's and not B&W. Finally, we obviously cannot say for certain that the B&W trilogy is going to be TOR. That's a huge guess at this point.

    But, assuming it is, I think B&W could use their GOT experience to really bring some interesting stuff to the table. The Old Republic is barely canon currently, and what little we know about it centers around just a few things:

    - Nontraditional lightsabers (crossguards, dark saber, etc)

    - Battle of Malachor between Jedi and Sith

    - Mandalorian Wars confirmed

    So, basically we have a focus on more medieval style weapons, large battles, and a multi-sided conflict. Do I really need to spell out how the showrunners of Game of Thrones could feel comfortable in that setup?

    Out of all of those, I think the multi-sided conflict has the most potential (though I'd love to see more Medieval-style weaponry in Star Wars, too). Sure, we have the Hutts as a sort of third faction in the OT, but they pretty much work closely with the Empire in the movies we've seen. There are still pretty clear "good guys" and "bad guys", with the possible exception of stuff like POVs in Inferno Squad and Lost Stars.

    But what if we see a power struggle between the Mandalorians and the Republic, with Mandalore rallying many systems against the arms of the larger Republic government? Give both sides depth, the way the Clone Wars should have been better portrayed.

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    "There are heroes on both sides." But you know, we're going to go ahead and still portray them as relatively one dimensional villains. :p

    Anyway, you can even have splinter groups in this conflict- maybe certain Republic worlds disagree with the Mandalorian rule, but also don't like the Republic's establishment, and segment into their own faction. Maybe certain species, like the Rodians and Duros, band together to try to claim victory on their own.

    And then- bam! The Sith come, finally giving us a villain in this tiered conflict. Or, perhaps we could see something unique to the series as well- sympathetic sith. Maybe we'll see the heavy losses they suffer, the genocide of the sith and the ultimate culmination of the Rule of Two.

    Whether the sith become this series' Targaryens, Lannisters, or Boltons is definitely up for debate (as is the TOR setting in general) but the point of this rant is that I look forwared to seeing how B&W can handle conflict.

    Anyway, what are your thoughts? What do you think Benioff and Weiss can do for the series?
     
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    I think that most of the credit for GoT should go to GRRM. Many people (me included) have noticed that the writing isn't what it used to be since they ran out of source material from the books. That being said, what Benioff and Weiss pulled off production-wise is near perfect. If Lucasfilm picked them for something, I guess it's their production experience. They could have went with other experienced film producers, but they went with them. So I guess they will make good use of their experience with filming under tight schedules, under various harsh conditions, etc.

    So I would expect them to produce something expansive, filming in various locations, long movies, with possible spin-offs ideally.
     
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    The thing is they are not actually directing the films. They are writing the films. There is a difference. So when someone says great scene! Great camera work! That's the director, not the script writer. Albeit most of the time they are the same person(s). This time it is not so.
     
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    cinematographer ^^
     
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    I think Writer and Director as the same credit is rare (I could be wrong). Ironically it's common in Star Wars... "Great camera work!" Is more the Director of Photographer's job then necessarily the Director's job. Director just directs the action; which does involve camera work. However, that doesn't mean they're operating the camera. But all the Writers can do is give tone, dialogue and obviously write the scenes.
     
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    Sure, when talking about films it can be tough to guess whether the writers are going to take more of a backseat once production starts, or take on a more auteur role. Considering these two are relatively high profile, I'd imagine it'll be the latter. This section of the forums is currently called "Benioff and Weiss's Film Series", after all.

    And even then, when you're working with a large company with Disney, it's often unlikely that an auteur or director's vision can be fully realized- but I think these two can at least point the ship in the right direction.


    Right I agree.

    And that's why I think arguments like "Star Wars is going to be more adult" or "Star Wars is taking on a medieval tone" don't quite work- rather, if the movies do take on those tones, B&W will be in their element, but I think their range is capable of far more.
     
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    There is no reason to believe that B&W's version of Star Wars must be GoT in space. Just because they've made on big fantasy production don't mean this series will be a rehash of GoT, with noble families vying for power and Sith-zombies descending on civilization. This will likely be a completely different type of story for them, and I'm pretty sure B&W are quite tired of GoT and medieval stuff right now. My prediction, backed by nothing but speculation, is that they will push for a smaller tale with this one, allowing them to explore characters, plots, and relations on a more personal scale than with GoT; more managable story, if you like.

    (Of course, there is the posibility that LFL has hired B&W precisely because they want a 'Star Wars of Thrones' type of series, but this is now how they have chosen directors in the past. TFA isn't very similar to other stuff JJ has done, and TLJ & R1 bear very little resemblance to past directorial projects of Rian Johnson Gareth Edwards, for instance).

    I believe B&W will be great for Star Wars, for they are good at addapting source material (and that includes changing it where budget & different media requires it). They also have a LOT of experience with big Budget and editing at this point, and they have a puls on popular culture and geeky fan bases. But most of all, they are extremely good at telling stories -- deep, many-layered, and complex stories.

    Will B&W's Star Wars be more adult in theme and image? Possibly, but it is hard to say. (GoT is those things because the source material is those Things; the Star Wars material is not those Things). Will B&W's Star Wars be complex and surprising; yes, I expect it will. Will B&W's Star Wars be good? Definitelly!
     
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    I just have to ask here but is this 100 percent confirmed they are making these?
     
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    Yes it is 100% confirmed by official sources.
     
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    Thanks for letting me know.
     
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    Looking at the number of bare breasts in GoT I'm pretty sure we are going to see more of these...
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    I am very afraid of what they will bring to Star Wars, D&D are just terrible storytellers in my opinion. I want to be optimistic but after the last few years of GoT it is very hard for me to be even a little excited for this. I hope that they surprise me and deliver better storytelling than they currently do on GoT because I love Star Wars and I really don't want to see it go down the same path that GoT has.
     
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    I look forward to the (hopefully not too many) GoT Easter eggs and little references.
     
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    Do we know how much of the show’s cinematography, shot compositions and sequencing are the result of their direct involvement? You're assuming they’re bringing all this hired talent with them?
     
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    Meh, I'm really just trying to look at one of their works and apply what they've done to potential of the new movies.

    I wouldn't look too terribly deep into it, but I think that it's reasonable enough to use previous work as a watermark for future projects.
     
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    Fair enough. That’s kind of where my head was at though. No, they aren’t necessarily responsible for some of the more evocative visual elements of the show, but there’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t bring those people with them. When creators build a rapport, they usually like to maintain them and keep working with the same people.

    Most everybody seems to be anticipating Old Republic. That does make the most sense. Not necessarily from a medieval sensibility, but from the grand sweeping potential scope of it. That’s what was so daunting about adapting ‘A Song of Ice and Fire’ to a confined visual medium - the vastness and complexity of it. The Old Republic era has a similar prospect, but on a galactic scale. If they did it once maybe they can do it again. Seems like a good fit to me.

    What’s strange to me are the people thinking this somehow increases the odds of an ‘R’ rated Star Wars film. The adult nature of GOT was baked into the source material. The core of the content was simply translated from one medium to another. Why would that mean ‘boobs&blood’ for Star Wars? Oh well, whatever. Looking forward to whatever they do.
     
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    Yeah, I think if anything makes a TOR setting likely, it's the "series" comment. If these films are popular, they could become a new era for Star Wars, literally and figuratively. A completely blank slate could do that wonders.

    And I totally agree about the R rating. The R stuff, like the medieval stuff, is also very much GRRM as it is them. I think they can tone it down for Star Wars , and more than that, I think they should. Star Wars is, and always should be, for all ages.
     
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    I feel like the obvious move would be to give them a series. Maybe like a 10 episode anthology series in the OR or Mandalore or Nar Shadaa/Hutt Space.
    I would personally like that more i think. Wait a couple years and get 10 hours of good stuff. OR wait a couple years get 2 hours....wait a couple years get 2 hours...etc.
    Hopefully they inject a little bit of calm back into the series....followed by awesome battles (with sensible tactics).
     
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    Here is what I see the pair bringing to Star Wars and probably a large reason to why they were chosen. They have a successful track record where it matters to Lucasfilm and Disney.

    They are directly responsible for putting together teams to tell stories and capture them in a visually enticing cinematic format over the course of years. They have been at the helm of GoT for the better part of a decade. It shows they have staying power, the power and ability to run a successful production, and get critical and audience praise over a long time frame. That is exactly what I would look for if I were trying to find someone to take on a new series of films. Someone who doesn't mind immersing themselves in a story for an extended period of time. They've proven they can do that. It's basically TV series mentality with cinematic quality.

    I also think they have been successful at world building and character development. A lot of that credit goes to other people on an individual level and some of it to the source material, but films aren't made by a single person. The ability to build a good team is one of the most underappreciated skills in any sort of media.

    I think it is less about the work itself they have produced and more about what they have been able to accomplish.

    I'm not exceptionally pleased nor am I upset by their involvement, but I 100% understand why they would be chosen and am intrigued by what they are capable of bringing to Star Wars...we could use some stability.
     
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    Gore, dynastic clash of light & dark powers, gore, galactic basic swearing, gore, TnA.
     
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