Is sequel trilogy an attack on the institution of classic family?

Yeah I mean maybe man? If you see it that way.
I don't think so.
There's a lot of debates about the ST having a political/social belief behind it. But I don't think I have seen this question. The Skywalker family is one big mess as we know. but if we zoom in on what happened just with Han,Leia,and Ben(Kylo) and the parental mistakes made by Han and Leia, then we see it led to their son being who he is. Obviously han and Leia didn't turn Kylo to the dark side, but kylo's emotional problems and excessive lust for validation can be partly blamed on Han and Leia.
So if anything, the ST is a proponent of Classical Families as we see what happened when Leia and han let things get in the way of raising their son properly

 

I too grew up with the OT. But, as an adult, I can see that this is a relatioship between two people, who are driven by their fundumentally different lifestyles and it's highly unlikely that they would just live in big suburbian house raising their child all the time. It might have been different in Legends, but is Legends the fighting just kept going for decades, while in the new canon we have 20+ years of peace, so it's only natural that Han and Leia would go back to doing their thing. Again, go read Bloodline.

 

absolutely OT fan here.
absolutely invested!
absolutely heartbroken ~ of course!

but absolutely love the ST and the EU.
Han and Leia loved one another to the very end (and beyond).
now let's straighten out their kid so that their legacy never dies.

#SaveBenSolo! : D

 

Also in Legends the New Republic would have been better off executing Han, Luke and Leia. The three of them are the source and reason for almost ALL of the violence. At least, yes, in this canon, there was peace for a while.

 

i wouldn't say ST is really an attack on traditional families but i do want to say that it does feel really political, there are at least some political themes that i don't feel have a place in these movies. Not because there's something wrong about those thoughts but because they felt really out of place. Canto blight's whole let's save the horses thing for was prolly the worst/best example of this, felt extremely awkward and out of place. Rose stopping Finn(?) and the explanation was another one.

 

Would you mind elaborating? I've read very little of the Legends and your comment intrigues me.

 

The three are at the center and cause of 99 percent of the turmoil in the galaxy. Where they go, bad stuff follows. Entire fleets and planets go to war to try to kidnap or kill their kids. If I was the head of a planetary system, I would not want the three of them anywhere near the system.

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Did you miss Revenge of the Sith? The movie is an entire rebuke on the George W. Bush administration.

 

no, i've seen the movie but what in gods name does that have to do with my post?
i don't remember mentioning or commenting on PT in my post

 

You cherry-picked TLJ, saying politics has no place in "these movies." ROTS is a Star Wars movie. It's part of these movies. Calling out TLJ and not mentioned ROTS, or even A New Hope or ROTJ for their political commentary is disingenuous. A New Hope was anti-Vietnam War and its not trying to hide it. ROTJ does the same.

 

While Lucas has discussed how he originally considered A New Hope to be a comment on Vietnam, the end product moved away from that original vision quite a bit. The movie is a much more clear and obvious parallel to WW2. We have bad guys who dress and act like Nazis (heck, the infantry are literally called "stormtoopers") and we have space battles which are practically remade from WW2 footage. You have to stretch quite a bit to find Vietnam parallels beyond the simple fact that it is a big military force at war with a smaller military force.

 

I believe the Ewoks are the Vietnam War part (a poorly armed locals defeat a super high-tech invaders), same as, say, "Aliens.
As for the Death Star battle from AHN, it was... inspired by movies, such as "Dam Busters" and "633 Squadron".

 

I just can't even with this post. You didn't like TLJ or what they did with Luke, ok, but what is this nonsense?

 

This is correct. I should have added WW2. Also, the prequels share direct allusions to the fall of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire.

 

Wow, I really didn't expect to come back and see this thread still active a week later.

 

It's an interesting claim and it's fun to test these theories.
The main dangers I see in this hypothesis are:

• the possibility of personal beliefs driving the claim,
• and the full range of evidence not being acknowledged.

It certainly makes for an interesting discussion and I like your attitude.

As to the whole "classic" or "traditional family" thing I'm not even sure what that means.
Tradition in and of itself doesn't carry much weight in my thinking.
There are plenty of destructive and harmful customs that have been held in honor for many generations!

 

Which Star Wars movies featured traditional family models?

If this is vexing then how did you make peace with previous six movies?

We had the Erso's for five minutes and I believe that is it for the nuclear family from 1977 to present.

Poodoo meet wall. Wall meet poodoo.

 

I believe all it says is your family is your family like or not. That simple.

 

Interesting idea for a thread, but I honestly can say, in 40 years of being a Star Wars fan, never ONCE have I tried to connect family values to anything I have seen or read from the SW universe.

 

No. All the main characters of this trilogy are messed up BECAUSE they didn't have a complete, supporting family.
Rey is (or was) stuck in the past, desperate to find her absentee, alcoholic parents.
Kylo was trapped by a creep because of his neglectful parents, and was so mad about it that he straight up killed his father. And he killed his new, creepy father figure too. AND he would have killed his uncle if he had the chance.
Finn is confused and has no idea what to do with his life because instead of parents, he had the First Order.
If anything, this trilogy screams CHILDREN NEED PARENTS.

 

that's actually exactly what the ST screams.
every one of these characters is his or her own little petrie dish exploring the impact of the lack of loving and protective parental guidance.