Leia Poppins debate

Maybe they waiting on seeing how well spin offs movies are being received? I think Solo is the big test here with it competing against Infinity War and Deadpool 2. If it does well, I think it be a safe bet that we'll see more spin offs movies. They also could be saving it for a future TV show or something. I would rather see a Rogue Squadron story on screen (prefer theaters) rather than reading about it. I think we'll see a bigger plan of SW once we get past Episode 9. That's just my guess. (probably wrong though)

 

Sorry loved it and since actual science says it is possible I am 100% OK with it. I still find it incredible that people dont think Leia dabbled in the Force over 30 years. Not to mention the trauma effect that even in our own world has shown people are able to do incredible things.

 

The problem is that science don't say it's possible. Not like the way it is shown in the movie.

In reality person like that would almost instantly defecate and pass out shortly after.

 

There is at least one paradox in every case:
CASE 1. Leia is a trained force user
This seems to be a logical thing, according to her ancestry, her father's and brother's abilities, and the fact that the heir continues in her son Ben.
But there is a problem: how the hell can the dark part in Ben have escaped both Luke's and Leia's caution? something is wrong!
CASE 2. Leia is a nobody-in-the-force
According to her ancestry, that makes no sense : her father has been the strongest Jedi ever, her brother is huge-powered, and she would be a nobody? something is wrong!

In both cases (Leia IS/IS NOT a powerful/trained force user) one can find some criticism to make.

 

How can the dark part in Ben have escaped detection? Oh come on how many times do we need to see the dark escape detection? Havent we seen this over and over in the Star Wars saga?

Who said "Powerful" force user. She is more of a a force dabbler. Remember in the vacuum of space it would take very little to propel herself towards the doorway. 2nd the force providing her some extra protection from the harshness of space is more innate instinctual response. Also if you watch the explosion scene more closely she braces herself for the explosion. She was ready for it.

 

Oh yeah, that would've been a lot better, right?

 

Yeah, and its canon any that she did dabble and she accepted some training from Luke. When you consider that humans are thriving in space to begin with, plus with the power that is Force to where anything is possible it's not hard to believe.

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In reality? This is science ficiton! With powers that don't exist in our world. If this bothers your suspension of disbelief then your in the wrong franchise. Oh sure, Luke doing one handed hand stands while using the Force, and blowing up the Death Star with barely any Force training is no big deal, but this is?

 

They should have just killed her off during the attack scene, she basically did very little else in the film after her recovery anyway. Her death out in space would have also solved the Carrie not in IX issue that there is now.

 

So if someone cut Han's head off and Chewie just pick up Han's head, stick it to the rest of the body and Han would live again like nothing really happened - would it be ok because "it's science fiction, not real life"?

Being a "space fantasy" movie with the Force etc is not an excuse for putting in totally unrealistic scenes, breaking the most basic laws of the universe. And one of such law is "humans would die in a horrible manner when exposed to the vacuum of space in such way".

 

That pretty much happened in Empire, by the way. Luke just got a new metal hand and looks and feels like a real hand. But their living in space! As I said, if the rest of the stuff in Star Wars doesn't bother you with "science" then your in the wrong franchise. Star Wars has never been about "believable science". We really don't know what the Force can do. Kanan did a similar feat in Rebels and he's trained. Leia has that mighty Skywalker blood, so its probably more natural for her.

 

With hand, not head. Even we, today, can transplant hands or make prosthetic ones. It's not so easy with heads. But that's not the point - I think that we can't say "it's just a movie" or "it's the Force" to justify even the weirdest screenwriter's ideas. I prefer when they stick more closely to the realism (or, more precisely, "in-universe realism") than include totally out of place elements.

 

Especially when it's done before in canon with Kanan in Rebels. Before anyone says he's a trained Jedi, Leia has that mighty Skywalker blood where Luke blew up the Death Star without tech and barely any knowledge of the Force.

 

I think you're each right and you're each wrong. A fantasy universe does not have to be realistic but it has to be consistent. I've seen many people say things like "you can accept A, B and C in Star Wars so that means you should accept X, Y and Z!" Aquila is right about "in universe realism." Just because we accept the Force and sound in space does not mean we have to accept anything and everything they throw at us (my own personal pet peeve was with how Hosnian Prime's demise was viewed instantaneously everywhere in the galaxy but that's a matter for another thread)

Having said that, an unprotected human being can live up to 2 minutes or so in the vacuum of space. The problem is remaining conscious, which people tend not to be able to do for any prolonged period of time. However, being unprotected in space is not insta-death so while Leia may have done a bit better than one may expect from the average human, it didn't violate my personal take on "in-universe realism." (It looked absolutely ridiculous how she was the GFFA's own Mary Poppins, but I didn't see it as unrealistic given the context)

 

Luke said that.
He said "the force is strong in my family, my father has it, I have it, and my sister has this power too". That occurred in EP6, as you actually know, and one can also hear that in one of the EP7 trailers, even if that bit did not end in the final movie.
So, one can assume (I am part of them) that Leia is at best as strong as his father and her brother, or at least she has a comparable skill. If not, why should she be just a dabbler ?

 

Because she focused on other things. She she had a lot of potential, but she focused on building the new republic. So she just dabbled in what she could do with the Force. Enough to protect herself like she did in TLJ and reach out like she has from the beginning.

 

I’m probably in the minority here, but I actually loved this scene in the film. Unfortunately, some people still have no idea that Leia even has the Force, so this scene did a good job showcasing that. I took my dad to see The Last Jedi and one of the first things he said to me afterwards was, “So, Princess Leia has the Force now?” And I had to explain to him that we’ve known this since she used it in The Empire Strikes Back to save Luke.

I understand that some people didn’t like the execution, but I didn’t really have a problem with it. Leia is older and she’s not a trained Jedi like Kanan was. We don’t even know if she had training like this. The only time we’ve seen her use the Force, she does it instinctively. My understanding of the scene was that she could feel the Force pulling her back toward the ship, and she pushed herself forward because she knew she still had a duty to the Resistance.

I also think there’s an added emotional weight to the scene now in lieu of Carrie Fisher’s passing. I know some people thought this would’ve been a good way to kill her off—I thought that was a wasted opportunity for a long time. But at the same time, we also need to realize that when Carrie died, the performance she gave in this film was what she wanted to be released. She was involved in several of the decisions regarding her character in this film. So, based on what Rian has said, my understanding is that they kept her performance as is to honor her wishes and her legacy. Not to mention, we couldn’t have had her scenes with Luke and Rey at the end of the movie had they killed her off earlier on in the film.

That’s just my take on it, though.

 

I loved the scene too. You explained well.

 

After rewatching the film twice last week I can definitely say this scene works great. It looks goofy, but the setup, what it means for the character of Leia and the score more than counteract the goofiness of a lady flying through space.

 

Have TLJ on while working and just watched this scene again. I really love it. Love the way it is filmed, the music, and how if you just pay attention you see Leia prepare herself before the missles hit. She knew what was happening before it did. She was ready and because of that the Force protected her enough to survive.