Official Finn Episode VIII thread

I don't think he created any empathy for Kylo. He gave an excuse, and Luke was weak in his response to it, but other than that what else did Rian do? It would have been nice to have seen how Kylo was manipulated by Snoke or even how Kylo knew about him. I don't know what Rian was going for with this movie. Except for the deaths of the original characters and Snoke nothing has changed. I don't know anything new about the new characters that I didn't know before this movie. Including Kylo.

 

Um, no. Rian wrote the TLJ script before TFA was even released to the public.

 

JJ Abrams' TFA Blu-rey commentary: "now we come back to the story that we really care about, the focus of the story, and that's Rey and Ren"

 

That makes it worse. Luke is the most popular character in this movie. We haven't seen him in over 30 years. Wouldn't we want to hear whatever events that took place between Luke and Kylo from Luke's mouth? Attempting to blame Luke would never sit well with the audience, and it makes the bad guy appear weak. There is no way I would have green lighted this script. People wanted to know how Kylo turned, his so called manipulation by Snoke, and what took place at Luke's academy. If his script didn't touch on that then it needed to be re-written. Those are the most important things we wanted to know about Kylo's story. Rey shouldn't have been a part of it.

 

According To Rian. Only a couple of scenes were re-written after TFA came out.

One was adding the three different versions of the hut flashback:
Luke's lie version, Kylo's version and the true version from Luke.

 

Why would we care about copy cat characters from the original trilogy over the story of a Stormtrooper which is new? Rey and Kylo are bad versions of Luke and Vader with less character development.

 

Because they have the force and everyone knows that no matter how redundant and predictable your storyline is, as long as you have that then you're automatically more interesting in the Star Wars universe. I hope some day we get to see a main character that doesn't have the force handily defeat a force user. Think about the possibilities that open up if that were to happen. I'm not holding my breath on that ever happening but one can dream right?

 

They could do it in the next movie..... If they wanted to. I like characters that can play the mind chess game. They could have Finn outwit Kylo, but they are so caught up into power that they forget the most powerful weapon is your brain. It would be nice to see a Batman or Lex Luthor type character, but that may be too deep for Disney.

 

In the last Jedi who are the three people that touched the Jedi books on screen? In order.

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Finn dealt with his pass when he was in Maz castle when he confessed to Rey his 'PAST' and dealt with it when he said I was a stormtrooper who was taken as a child from a family he will never know... He said then 'i am done with the first order and never returning back'. That is Finn dealing with his past he accepts the fact he will never know them. TLJ crapped on Finn though he is a token character so he is not the main focus and token characters don't have development because they are there to only service SJW agenda. Haldo and Rose had a bigger part than Finn.

We just have to accept these are not George Lucas' films. As Mark Hamil said recently hope for the best and aspect the worst because it not George Lucas leading.

 

There are people who genuinely dislike TLJ for valid reasons, but a sizable number of people are like this poster who throw around toxic phrases like "token character." There's no "SJW agenda" in this film. If you think there is then the problem isn't the film, it's with you.

 

To each their own

 

I have noticed that some of the grossest political statements in this forum are then followed by some random YouTube video. In the video above she claims you can spot a token character "if they don't have a good relationship with other characters." Finn doesn't have a good relationship with BB-8,Rey, Poe, or Rose? She also goes with the "Finn's story doesn't matter" which is also some proof of tokenism. I'm not sure which is sillier, the comment in the video or the idea that this video was a compelling argument for tokenism.

 

It appears when a person post a video with their coment it is to show that there are others out there that share the same view.

From reading this fourm on Finn there an abundance of people who dislike how Finn was dealt with in the last installment of Star Wars. That shows that there was something wrong with the movie dealing with Finn. For the record Finn had no relationship with Luke Skywalker nor any strong dialogue with Leila neither did he have one line with Rey and they are the main characters. That is tokenism if you don't know what it means or interested you why comment? Maybe you not force sensitive enough to deal with what other people view or dislike in the moive so why even reply? It is an open fourm and it is clear from here many hate and dislike how Finn was dealt with . The dislike how he was dealt with over weight those who like or don't really care about him.

 

• Finn didn't want to join the Resistance, he had already made his intentions clear as far as the FO
• By this token we already knew Rey's and Kylo's past. Kylo was son of Han and Leia and was turned by Snoke. Rey was abandoned. No need to further explore those either in TLJ right?
• His fight with Phasma was meant to symbolic of his joining the Resistance; thus it's not just Finn and Phasma fighting in the Hangar Bay, it's the Resistance and FO
• Finn does not determine his own fate in TLJ, I have already provided examples in the post that you are replying to that you haven't addressed

 

as Long he isnt Gay or Homosexual and ends up with Rey were good my favorite Character of the Sequel trilogy

 

No one was arguing there weren't other people out there with that misguided opinion. This is the internet after all.

That doesn't have anything to do with tokenism or the SJW political agenda.

It is not tokenism and they only evidence you have to support is your opinion is some random video. If you want to debate my counterargument feel free.

Here's a loose definition of tokenism:

Finn doesn't fall into this category any more than Poe fits into this category. These are two characters with well defined arcs in TLJ. You may not like them, but not liking a story choice does not equal tokenism.

 

Ok I see your point

 

Rey and Finn gain just as much if they never joined the fight. That is bad story telling. The only ones that gain are the Resistance, and that is crazy. The Resistance isn't the lead character.

 

I don't understand the point you're trying to make. What do Rey and Finn gain by not joining the fight? What would Han Solo have gained by not joining the fight?

 

The part that is almost spell binding to me is that people are equating screen time with development.

Them: "Finn had a whole plot to himself"
Me: "Yeah he did, and it was trash"

Seems the standard go-to now is "it's ok if you didn't like it but you can't say that [insert thing that you still can absolutely say here]"

The arc in TLJ is that Finn chooses the Resistance. It's abnormally mediocre and, no, I don't like it. But my dislike is hardly the lump sum of the problem. It's a mediocre arc done poorly with cavalier attention to actual character motivations and logic. Finn was entirely and obviously plot driven the entire movie. How does Rian imagine he strengthens Finn when:

1. He gives him a pedestrian destination (Resistance fighter)
2. He draws Finn as a character that has no ethics or motivations of his own, and instead accepts Rose's life story as HIS reason to join said Resistance
3. He has Finn join the Resistance as it's being annihilated
4. Finn's formal entry into the Resistance changes nothing and has absolutely no bearing on ANYTHING in the movie

There were 3 things good about Canto Bight.

1. Set design
2. Creatures
3. A different wrinkle on existing Star Wars life (i.e. the rich aristocrats)

None of which had anything to do with Finn. So no I don't like Finn's arc, but not just because I didn't like it, but because it was trash.