Thread for those who loved the movie

i'm a fan who wants to be catered to (who doesn't, right?)
and i also feel like i absolutely have been catered too so far.

we all obviously aren't going to get what we want in the end.
what will please me is going to incense a lot of fans and maybe even cause them to leave Star Wars (some already have)
what will please other people might turn me away from Star Wars.

the people running Lucasfilm and producing/directing these movies belong to my generation (mostly).
so i am optimistic that we agree on what Star Wars is about.

i see a lot of people on the forums who have an entirely different idea of what Star Wars is (across all generations).
that is a gap of varying irreconcialability that we're all just going to have to weather.
just as the PT isn't for everyone, maybe the ST won't be either.

good thing Lucasfilm is doing well enough that they can keep giving us movies and more opportunities for everyone to have something.

 

And there's simply no evidence (other than social media) to support your position. TLJ was a hit by pretty much every measure. Lucasfilm was happy with TLJ before and after its release. This idea that it damaged the brand is simply wishful thinking by some people who didn't like the film.

This is the wise position. I'm simply guessing based on what we've seen from Lucasfilm over the last 10 years. They control Lucas's vision of Star Wars and I'm not sure a segment of the fanbase will ever be happy with it. We can certainly debate what that vision happens to be.

 

i don't know if it's wise.
i might feel incredibly and irrationally angry if i don't ultimately get what i want from the ST.
but i will promise each and every one of you that if it does go south, i'll keep my meltdown to myself. XD

for now, i just trust in Lucasfilm.
that's all any of us can do.

 

I'm just joshing with you, but in all seriousness black people were the lowest group to turn out for TLJ. I'm not trying to speak for all. I'm just going by the numbers. Black people are normally second place for major blockbusters, so when they don't show up (this was my first Star Wars movie I never went to the theaters to see) that speaks volumes.

 

Do you have data that supports this claim?

 

LOL, ok you may lightly regard it, but social media banter is still evidence. Which is why I said "I speculate", not "I know". My guess is that LFL didn't disregard social media accounts in the following of TLJ's premiere. Even if they didn't take every complaint or critical statement as serious as others, I am reasonably confident that they still monitored what was being discussed and what, if anything, had substance. Again, I don't know what you are using to assert that LFL was happy with TLJ after it's premiere but I'm assuming it's some sort of press release or interview. Also I'm not sure what measures you are referring to that TLJ hit. The only one I know about was the box office numbers, and the only one we had from that came from an outside source, not LFL themselves (maybe their internal projected number was higher, maybe it was lower). Are you talking about something other than box office as a metric?

I don't think TLJ represents a new direction (some do, I don't). I think TFA is far more in-line with past SW movies than TLJ was. I believe TLJ was LFL taking a risk and trying something new (if it had been universally liked, then everyone calls Rian and LFL genius). I don't think it worked, which happens with risk taking sometimes. Sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle, sometimes you fail. Accordingly I expect that Disney, LFL, and TPTB will focus on stories that the fans want and not so much providing a canvas to young, upcoming writer directors to paint their vision of how things should happen in the GFFA.

 

i honestly think they will always court new aspiring/promising directors with fresh visions.
that's how they honor Lucas as a filmmaker.

you're right: it won't always work out for the fans and they've had their share of trouble with course correcting on Rogue One and Solo, but i am proud of their commitment.

i'd rather see the risk than pablum.

 

Insiders before the film stated they were very happy with RJ and expected some fans not to like it. I'm too lazy to pull the quote, but it fits in well with why RJ was given another gig.

It was the most financially successfully film of 2017. It was a popular with critics and audiences. Those who suggest otherwise are simply pulling facts out of thin air. The only scientific measure of audiences showed that people loved the film. This isn't in dispute in the film industry.

This idea that The Last Jedi was a misstep and Lucasfilm is going to course correct is wishful thinking.

 

I'd rather see coordinated and planned vision. With more guard rails around his story and better handling of previously existing metadata, maybe there is less criticism of this middle installment. No unplanned mystery boxes without answers, no rogue stories, just coordination. I think a lot of why this installment doesn't work for people who don't like it is just that, it didn't seem to honor or carry forward what we understood and enjoyed about SW. The GFFA is going to expand (because it has to) but it can't be done piece meal IMO.

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Ok I'll see if I can dig up the quotes/statements myself then.

This, to me, doesn't make a compelling case. I doubt Solo has any chance of overtaking Avengers IW as most financially successful movie of the year, but it can still meet internal expectations (and realistic expectations of the fans). As far as was TLJ a mis-step, we'll see. If EPIX aggressively embraces and carries forward elements from TLJ, then I think you'll have substantiation. If it doesn't, then I think I will have made my case. Until then, it's just speculation.

 

You can ignore the box office if you wish or spin it away, but the scientific audience scores? What's the spin on that one? So the science is now wrong on The Last Jedi? We have to assume the box office wasn't successful and that the industry is wrong on how they measure audience reactions.

 

generally speaking, i believe it is coordinated and planned. i know a lot of people keep screaming: "they're making it up as they're going along", but no, that's not how the industry works.

yes, they've allowed a little controlled chaos into the mix for the hope of encouraging sparks ~ and maybe some fans caught fire for it, but where you feel it doesn't honor or carry forward, i see it doing exactly that, so again, they can't please everyone. especially not when fans have radically competing ideas of what SW "ought" to be.

 

From the very beginning moment, where Rey hands Luke the LS and some really powerful moment is implied, and later Luke tosses the LS over his shoulder, I don't see strong planning and coordination. I don't mind that Luke didn't accept the LS, maybe when she tries to give it to him, he refuses and pushes it back into her hands and you go from there. Honestly I thought that transition would have been one of the easiest to do seamlessly, but it doesn't feel that way at all. If you loved the movie maybe you don't care about it at all, it's just one of the examples of the things those of us who didn't enjoy the movie, didn't like about it.

Just out of curiosity to everyone in this particular thread, have you already purchased your Solo tickets?

 

i honestly love that moment. it says everything i believe about SW: that we put too much emphasis and importance on things that don't matter. someone in another thread said he could have just tossed it away with it being so (literally) flip about it and it would have conveyed the same thing, but i disagree. Luke shows contempt for what we as fans hold in the highest most sacred regard.

but it's just a weapon; one that murdered children no less.

i have tickets for Thursday night and for Sunday afternoon.
if it's good, i might see it one more time on a discount Tuesday in a couple of weeks ~ if i'm hankering for popcorn. XD

 

Yep... bought them on May the 4th. I'll probably see it again later in the weekend unless I hate it. It's happened before.

 

I wonder if fatigue may be setting in. When I went to buy my tickets I got awesome seats (not complaining about the seats mind you) but it's usually difficult to get good seats this close to opening. That doesn't mean this is happening everywhere.

 

I'm going Friday, but there weren't many seats on either day.

Most of good seats were gone for both days.

 

The throw got one of the biggest laughs from the audience I saw it with.

Some things are just more for the casual viewer than hardcore fans.

 

Yes. 10 days ago. I'm going to see it tomorrow.

 

I'm going Friday, but there weren't many seats on either day.

Most of good seats were gone for both days.

The Star Wars fans I know aren't into as much as people online. I haven't talked to anyone who has said they aren't going to see Solo.

 

I'm going on Thursday, maybe that makes a difference in terms of available seating. I always go see SW on the Thursday before the Friday premiere if I can.

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Not arguing that point, just saying if that's what Rian had planned, maybe end TFA without tension and a look of sadness in Luke's face. Then there is no disjoint, move ends with Luke asking who she is, and then in TLJ she can offer the LS and he can still toss it. There would still be a problem with the LS calling out to Rey in TFA but maybe people overlook that