1. Due to the increased amount of spam bots on the forum, we are strengthening our defenses. You may experience a CAPTCHA challenge from time to time.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice

“A New Awakening” - Star Wars Episode IV and VII Shot Comparison

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Old Biff from the Future, Mar 28, 2016.

  1. Old Biff from the Future

    Old Biff from the Future Dune Sea Hermit

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2015
    Posts:
    4,693
    Likes Received:
    22,804
    Trophy Points:
    147,767
    Credits:
    22,070
    Ratings:
    +26,990 / 125 / -35
    During the months leading up to TFA's release I had a thread called "Old Biff's Old School Thread in which compared shots from all the movie with TFA. This does a similar thing but portrays it different. With the OLD school thread I was trying to show that J.J. was trying to have the audience get the feel of STAR WARS than rather copy it.

    After I watched this video I see that J.J. didn't copy the film but rather got you back INTO the Force by making you it feel like ANH.

    To me it worked........

    Here's a nice video comparison by a fan here https://vimeo.com/zantell that shows the parallels of A Force Awakens vs A New This video is very interesting......

     
    • Like Like x 12
    • Great Post Great Post x 5
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • Original Original x 1
  2. Boushhdisguise

    Boushhdisguise Jedi General

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    Posts:
    1,415
    Likes Received:
    22,079
    Trophy Points:
    148,617
    Credits:
    16,663
    Ratings:
    +24,574 / 20 / -3
    The prequels did the same thing.
     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  3. Luke'sdad

    Luke'sdad Rebel Trooper

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2015
    Posts:
    49
    Likes Received:
    79
    Trophy Points:
    192
    Credits:
    673
    Ratings:
    +157 / 3 / -0
    Similar in the right ways. Rey's theme is sure growing on me!
     
    • Like Like x 8
  4. Messi

    Messi G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2015
    Posts:
    3,117
    Likes Received:
    8,148
    Trophy Points:
    87,567
    Credits:
    12,250
    Ratings:
    +10,455 / 195 / -29
    Great post. Great video. Thanks for posting.
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Friendly Friendly x 2
  5. AstromechRecords

    AstromechRecords Jedi General

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Posts:
    16,787
    Likes Received:
    15,159
    Trophy Points:
    149,777
    Credits:
    20,057
    Ratings:
    +26,502 / 845 / -253
    Yeah I agree with your sentiments and I hope we get this for the next two as well .
     
    • Like Like x 2
  6. Gassman

    Gassman Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2015
    Posts:
    130
    Likes Received:
    334
    Trophy Points:
    1,577
    Credits:
    1,033
    Ratings:
    +543 / 10 / -1
    Great work. Wow. Can't wait to see the movie again on Bluray.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. Cmdr. Ed Straker

    Cmdr. Ed Straker Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2015
    Posts:
    1,750
    Likes Received:
    2,707
    Trophy Points:
    8,012
    Credits:
    4,825
    Ratings:
    +3,827 / 138 / -73
    The comparison shows me that ANH still holds up even if it's slow and clumsy at times.
    Concerning TFA, if it brings back the classic Star Wars feeling is debatable, because everyone feels different.
    For me it felt partly like ANH, in a good and a bad way at the same time, it's hard describe it.
    I will give it a try: It depends on my opinion, because I think a forgery of ANH was not needed.
    Counterstatement: I don't force anyone to share my opinion.
     
    #7 Cmdr. Ed Straker, Mar 31, 2016
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2016
    • Like Like x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  8. Talon Karrde

    Talon Karrde Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2015
    Posts:
    969
    Likes Received:
    1,706
    Trophy Points:
    7,592
    Credits:
    3,873
    Ratings:
    +2,490 / 69 / -31
    It was a very striking comparison. The camera was so.. static in the 1977 film. I found my eyes kept preferring the TFA footage for the movement of the camera.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  9. Seattlerailway

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2016
    Posts:
    35
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    12
    Credits:
    408
    Ratings:
    +58 / 9 / -2
    I wanna know why do you think so. Can you make this kind of video with TPM and ANH, ATOC and ESB, or ROTS and ROTJ?
     
  10. BobaFettNY21

    BobaFettNY21 Force Attuned

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2015
    Posts:
    794
    Likes Received:
    5,978
    Trophy Points:
    15,667
    Credits:
    8,013
    Ratings:
    +6,900 / 36 / -12
    Technically, Lucas's approach was to copy the shots from the beginning and ending of each trilogy (the Ring Theory). So ROTJ and ANH are reversed and TPM and ROTS are reversed.

    ROTJ starts with C3PO and R2D2 strolling to Jabbas - just like ANH starts with them strolling away from the escape pod - same shots.
    Anakin escapes the exploding Trade Fed. hangar like the Falcon and Wedge escape from DS2 after blowing up a similarly shaped generator.
    Parade at the end of ANH and TPM is matched by Padme's funeral.
    There's similar shot of Vader in his hood that is matched by Maul's reveal before the Duel of the Fates.

    There's tons of repetition in the OT and PT, both from within the respective trilogies and repeatedly throughout. Originality is an overrated concept. (See Avatar, Ferngully & Dances With Wolves, also see Hidden Fortress, Buck Rogers & Flash Gordon.....if you know what I mean)
     
    • Like Like x 2
  11. andrea.conti.91

    andrea.conti.91 Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    Posts:
    200
    Likes Received:
    312
    Trophy Points:
    1,352
    Credits:
    735
    Ratings:
    +502 / 7 / -3
    I felt like TFA was not simply a reake of ANH, but a summary of everything we liked in the old trilogy. There were:

    - A hero from a desert planet (ANH)
    - A droid with secret informations (ANH)
    - A battle scene with some sort of evil alien creature (ANH; TESB; ROTJ)
    - A cantina scene (ANH; ROTJ)
    - A superweapon (ANH; ROTJ)
    - A masked villain who seems obsessed (TESB)
    - A family revelation and tragedy (TESB)
    - A mentor who dies (ANH; ROTJ)

    And, in general, the movie is much more like TESB in terms of atmosphere. So, there is not only ANH in TFA, but every old trilogy movie.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  12. AstromechRecords

    AstromechRecords Jedi General

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Posts:
    16,787
    Likes Received:
    15,159
    Trophy Points:
    149,777
    Credits:
    20,057
    Ratings:
    +26,502 / 845 / -253
    AAAND THAT'S WHY it felt familiar...maybe a bit too familiar..
     
    • Clouded Clouded x 3
  13. andrea.conti.91

    andrea.conti.91 Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    Posts:
    200
    Likes Received:
    312
    Trophy Points:
    1,352
    Credits:
    735
    Ratings:
    +502 / 7 / -3
    Yes. But it's legit. After the prequels, they had to set the mood.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  14. Bligh

    Bligh Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2016
    Posts:
    567
    Likes Received:
    1,336
    Trophy Points:
    7,592
    Credits:
    1,966
    Ratings:
    +1,800 / 14 / -2
    Absolutely agree. This 'feeling' was intentional. Lucasfilm wanted to win the trust of everyone - young, old, and new. TFA is the strong foundation to our new generation of Star Wars films.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  15. Ammianus Marcellinus

    Credits:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0
    People who say "rehash" never read literature or look at art in general. Cultural and artistic dialogues happen all the time, and the greatest artistic productions were created by means of it. Leonardo Da Vinci, Rembrant and Picasso all painted "the last supper", but that doesn't mean they made the same painting. ;) Artistic dialogue is really different from plagiarism. The Force Awakens engages in a dialogue with the story of ANH and its imagery, but it does not replicate them: it engages with them to make something different, new and exciting. The Phantom Menace did the same with ANH: the only difference is that TPM failed miserably as compared to TFA.
     
    #15 Ammianus Marcellinus, Aug 9, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Aug 9, 2016
    • Like Like x 2
    • Great Post Great Post x 2
  16. Willrow-Hood

    Willrow-Hood Clone

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2016
    Posts:
    17
    Likes Received:
    22
    Trophy Points:
    9
    Credits:
    404
    Ratings:
    +26 / 0 / -0
    Love the cinematography in every Star Wars movie
     
    • Like Like x 1
  17. andrea.conti.91

    andrea.conti.91 Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    Posts:
    200
    Likes Received:
    312
    Trophy Points:
    1,352
    Credits:
    735
    Ratings:
    +502 / 7 / -3
    TPM resoundingly failed because, in addition to various plot issues, it was intended almost exclusively for kids. JJ made a plural movie, in which old and new fans can virtually find something, and in my opinion this saved TFA from being bad. This and the extraordinary cinematography, of course :)
     
  18. Ammianus Marcellinus

    Credits:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0
    TFA was extremely good: it's the critics verdict. A solid four star movie. I agree with the critics. Even better: I'm the kind of guy who will tell you The Force Awakens is the best Star Wars movie to date.......together with ESB of course.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  19. Grand Master Galen Marek

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2015
    Posts:
    21,451
    Likes Received:
    100,819
    Trophy Points:
    176,317
    Credits:
    46,224
    Ratings:
    +114,562 / 339 / -131
    Yep you have Gilbert Taylor to thank for that. ;)
     
  20. andrea.conti.91

    andrea.conti.91 Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    Posts:
    200
    Likes Received:
    312
    Trophy Points:
    1,352
    Credits:
    735
    Ratings:
    +502 / 7 / -3
    Yes, it's in my personal top three. And don't forget that it's probably the most praised SW movie ever.

    With my comment I meant that, with those premises, they could have done a bland remake or a brilliant revisiting. And thakfully it was brilliant.
     
    • Wise Wise x 1
Loading...

Share This Page