“Sympathetic” Sith?

SITH MASTER QUOTES CONFIRM:​

“Equality is a lie…a myth to appease the masses. Simply look around and you will see the lie for what it is! There are those with power, those with the strength and will to lead. And there are those meant to follow – those incapable of anything but servitude and a meager, worthless existence.”

“The dark side will devour those who lack the power to control it. It’s a fierce storm of emotion that annihilates anything in its path. It lays waste to the weak and unworthy. But those who are strong can ride the storm winds to unfathomable heights. They can unlock their true potential; they can sever the chains that bind them; they can dominate the world around them. Only those with the power to control the dark side can ever truly be free.”

"Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…"

"You must begin by gaining power over yourself; then another; then a group, an order, a world, a species, a group of species… finally, the galaxy itself."

"You will devote yourself to idea the idea of dominion...."

 

This is how The Cantina mods' roll.​

 

I think it'd be a fine idea. As a big Assassin's Creed fan, I think the series is at its best when the "good guys" (Assassins) have their beliefs tested by the "bad guys" (Templars), perhaps even causing them to see their own side as possibly in the wrong.

The Acolyte is in an interesting position- much like Obi Wan and Yoda during the ST era, the Sith during this time are disparate and scattered, adhering to the Rule of Two to hide in the shadows as the Jedi Council itself sits on its laurels and slides further into corruption (in fact, since the Clone Wars aren't even going on yet, we really don't see them as victims at all at this time).

The Acolyte is a great opportunity to show the sith as not only sympathetic, but persecuted.

 

This must be the decade of the anti-hero… villains as heroes… hog wash, I say bring back actual heroes… Sith are cool but come on DUDE… send me to a multiverse where heroes are heroes…

 

Yeah too much of feeling sorry for bad people and so called depth of characters. Just let Star Wars be Star Wars, good v evil. Anti-hero is bloody depressing and enough is enough. Am sick of the but they didn't mean to, lets understand them. Besides there's too much happening in our reality at the moment with wars. I really don't want to consume the two sides of the same coin bull when men, women and children are dying because of one crazy individual. The cross over is just too 'yucky' in the current climate as we are bleeding between reality and the imaginary.

 

My current reality is, I have to reason with people that committed murders… hey, dude, you must have had a reason for killing those people… damn, they’re offering you 20 - 65 years… oh, you already did 4 years awaiting your trial date… you’re angry that you won’t see your children go to college… damn those attorneys are awful, hey man, I’m on your side , I’m just doing my job, escorting you to see your attorney, don’t take it out on me…

i’m just doing my job haha reasoning with villains, I’m fed up… end of rant. 4 more years as a Correction Officer can’t wait till I retire!

VILLIANS are real… redemption is real, it’s disgusting for me to see folks sympathize with villians… they are cool in fiction but real life villians are disgusting…

I apologize had to vent… moving along now.

 

Lumiya, vergere sort of, caedus sort of, mostly the post rotj legends sith

 

Bad guys are important to stories and storytelling, and Star Wars have some of the best bad guys out there exactly BECAUSE they are clear-cut and black-&-white. Redemptions are great, as is perspectives and context for bad guyes, but cheering for the villains doesn't fit SW well. I say, let bad guys be bad guys and play their role in the story.



(Also, y'all are using the term "antihero" wrongly And antihero is not a villain protrayed as a hero, rather, the term signifies a hero who doesn't display conventional heroic qualities and conduct. Clint Eastwoods 70s characters are classic antiheroes, as is Han Solo (except in S:ASWS where he hasn't become cynical yet) and possibly Lando Calrissian, too (although his motivations are a bit difficult to discern). By comparison, Darth Vader is definitely not an antihero (he's a clear-cut villain), and even Anakin doesn't fit that bill; Anakin is a troubled and failing hero, not an antihero. Din Djarin starts out as an antihero, but his cold heart melts the second he sees the Child <3 )

 

In the realm of comic book world, Harley Quinn is working with the Batman, she used to be the Joker’s partner, the Catwoman, a known cat burglar and thief, is Batman’s love interest, the Suicide squad, prisoners tasked with solving world conflicts that the Justice League should pursue are being seen as so-called heroes… the list goes on and on… but I get your point, Marvel’s Punisher is a perfect example of an anti-hero.
Films like the Joker make one sympathetic toward a villain. Sony is unleashing more films featuring villians (Venom), for example Morbius, if successful the entire SINISTER SIX will have individual feature films. Kraven the Hunter a known Spider-Man villain will have his film next, he is part of the Sinister Six ( I’m guessing Sony is competing with Warner Bros. With the success of Suicide Squad) We will become sympathetic toward these villains and cheer them on… Hey, Kylo Ren how many people have you killed? But that’s ok, you’re Ben Solo again…. HAHA just joking… I might have used the term Anti-heroes wrong but as a comic book fan I’m completely confused. Thanks for clearing that up @Angelman

 

Comics are strange. Heroes and villains will often swap places, and many stories features weird team-ups for the fun of it. Also, popular bad guys are frequently redeemed into good guys by popular demand, etc. So the entire genre is a little bitt off kilter here. The material is so shallow (i.e., there's no real setting, just super-characters flitting in and out of random stories) that one of the few ways that comics have to make things interesting, is to turn stuff on its head every now and again.

I think Wolverine could probably pass for an antihero, at least in some stories, and Batman is definitelly one in most of them.

Joker (2019) is an example of a story where the bad guy is humanised in the interest of introspection and drama. That can be a very usefull tool in the right story, but I don't think it is good for Star Wars, at least not as long as the character continues to bad guy along the way. A Book of Boba Fett where we follow BF on some murder spree against the inocent and morally good, would be horrible for Star Wars.

 

I think there’s an important distinction between portraying people who fall to the dark side sympathetically, versus portraying the dark side itself sympathetically.

Take the show Breaking Bad as an example. We sympathize with Walter White, at least in the beginning. We even understand why he chooses his dark path. But at no point does the show make us think, “Hey, this drug dealing stuff is actually not bad.”

I think the Acolyte needs to handle things the same way. It would be a travesty if the show makes the Dark Side seem like a viable, worthy path. But we can follow a sympathetic character on a journey into the dark side.

 

I was coming to make the exact same analogy. Light over the dark, always.

 

yeah its not a sympathetic cause but a sympathetic character that creates a sympathetic villain that is still in the wrong.

 

Okay, but we're definitely still getting movies where heroes are heroes...

So far, every single Marvel movie (with Infinity as a possible, though far fetched exception) features good guys as the protagonists, every single Star Wars movie, most of DC...

It's kinda silly to pretend like we're not getting movies where heroes are heroes.

 

If I hadn't force choked my wife because I was emo-retarded, I might've been the most sympathetic Sith ever.

Now, I'm just the dumbest Jedi of all time.

 

The OG-Revan tale; before the Dark Times, before the Eternal Empire.... was the one story arc where I almost felt sympathy for the Sith Lord.

To have the Jedi reduce your mind to nothing and hope that u don't remember who are.

Or, where your true strength resides.