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10 Likes/10 Dislikes from TROS

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by C2P2, Dec 20, 2019.

  1. RoyleRancor

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    Yet why even bother putting him BACK in that position? It's the same beats he just went through with Snoke. Plotting to use Rey to defeat the evil leader lurching over him. It's just a different bad guy over him.
     
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    this is true. I mean the reason in like a saga point of view is because defeating palpatine and saving the person he loved was Anakin a arc, and the one he failed at. So it fixed that, and he made the right choice where as in TLJ when he killed snoke he was still consumed by wanting to destroy stuff and gain power. But I agree with you that something more interesting could have happened. If there was no evil big bad to overthrow they still could have had kylo defect to the good side and just have him vs the knights of Ren and first order as his main antagonising force. I do think including palpatine felt repetitive but in a big long saga, could the final film really end with Kylo Ren just redeeming himself of his own accord without a big villain? I dunno. The better way it could have worked is if Luke had not died and Been Kylo Rens big bad guy becuase really he was Kylo’s whole driving force.
     
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    I might not have it be as big of an issue for me except JJ did it with Poe and Finn too.
    Poe doesn't know how to lead? Hell his whole arc in TLJ was becoming a leader. Now he can't do it?
    Finn goes from finding himself, declaring himself his own man (that's the whole "No, Rebel scum" thing) and he's back to mooning after Rey like a lost puppy.

    So it just stands out at me as a glaring omission of character growth and agency.

    Just have Finn and Poe being leaders. Not back to bumbling around. TLJ did the damn legwork. Just put it over the finish line. Really Finn and Poe both finish TROS where they did in TLJ but unnecessarily had to revert to their TFA selves first for some reason.
     
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    I actually did feel this happened in TLJ too. Not with Poe as in TFA he had no arc. But like, Finn in TFA goes from a guy out of his depth to a guy facing an impossible challenge in a lightsaber duel, having decided to side with the rebels. Then in TLJ he gets sent on this side quest where he is like, naive to the First orders war mechanics and ends up choosing to be a rebel again...and in TRoS it’s basically the same but with even lower stakes. The fact they bothered to humanise the indoctrinated storm troopers but did not give finn an arc where he liberated them is a missed opportunity. How can we see storm troopers mown down when we know they are indoctrinated youths? Why not have Finn adress this by trying to liberate other troopers?

    kinda the same with Kylo’s Ren. In both TFA And TLJ he has a choice to return to the light and continues the dark path. And then, of course, he comes back to the light.
     
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    likes
    • Pasana festival
    • "you were a spice runner?" "you were a stormtrooper?" etc. "we could do this all night."
    • "i'm the spy!"
    • Force healing
    • Rey wanting to take Ben's hand
    • Han Solo
    • return of Ben Solo
    • Ben Solo trashing the Knights of Ren
    • Ben Solo smiling
    • Poe making eyes at Zorri and her shaking her head: "nope".
     
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