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10 Reasons Y'all All Boycotting the Wrong Movie! (My Review)

Discussion in 'Solo' started by HothLeia, May 25, 2018.

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Did Solo surprise you by how much you liked it?

  1. Yes! It was great.

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  2. No. I knew I would like it, never thought it would be bad.

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  3. It was okay. as I suspected.

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  4. No, I was still disappointed as I thought I would be.

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  5. I will not be seeing the film for certain reasons.

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  6. Liked it more than I thought but not raving about it. Still exceeded expectations.

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  1. HothLeia

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    Review is favorable and spoiler free!

    When I say "y'all" in Yandu fashion, I know most people aren't really boycotting the movie but there is a movement on YouTube (in some cases orchestrated by reviewers I really like and enjoy.) I definitely get why some folks are not happy with the direction of Star Wars and while I didn't despise TLJ, I did have some serious qualms with it and the future of my beloved franchise.

    But I digress. On to Solo, who might be the real Chosen One to bring balance to The Force. Solo represents a lot of things you boycotters would have *liked* to see in TLJ and omits many of the things you did not like.

    This is coming from someone who was very EH and MEH when I first heard about this movie awhile back.


    My Review:

    The Bad: Solo is great but it is not a perfect film. You won't find anything truly surprising or jaw dropping and there are some pacing issues and predictable outcomes. Some scenes were a little too dark -making the action hard to follow.
    The Middle: THAT cameo was a bit of a ...huh?! moment. Some character situations required rethinking and there were a few clunky moments.



    The Good:


    1. Respect for the Source Material. There is a nostalgic warmth to the settings and scenes. You can tell the director respected the source material, values the fans, and cares about the overall story.

    2. Solo is still Solo-ey. I'll admit it...I was worried. I was expecting Solo to not be "allowed" to be brash and swashbuckling. He's still not quite as edgy as Han in the OT, but he is younger and I wouldn't expect him to be exactly like the Han we meet in Tatooine just yet. He isn't degraded for being male or played too safe. He is fun, arrogant, blunt, and take-charge....but we can still see that heart of gold we know and love.

    3. Lack of Earth Politics. Right or left I want to be in a galaxy far, far, away and not in the US political cesspool. Thankfully it was kept to a surprising and refreshing minimum. The only instances that somewhat hinted of this were some of L3's lines when you first meet her, but let me tell you to give her a chance and you will warm up to this welcome addition to the SW droid family real fast.

    4. Lived-in Settings and Scenes. There is a grittiness and tangible magic to the settings. It felt like everything happened "awhile ago" and doesn't appear too smooth and sleek. I'd say it skews more Cowboy Bebop (masterpiece) meets the Old West. It feels real and like it belongs in the timeline and canon.

    5. Team Dynamic and Chemistry. This team just worked well together and I liked how the characters differed/shared similarities and interacted. It felt like a real team and it felt right. I am interested in seeing more of them and would love to see them together again. Chewbacca was more of a "person" again and less of a "prop". Welcome back, Chewy.

    6. Natural humor. The humor isn't forced and comes naturally with the scenes and characters. It is very "Star Warsy" and strays from some of the odd humor choices of the new trilogy and childish slapstick in TFM.

    7. Flawed characters. No Mary Sues to be seen here. Move along! Characters were not overglorified (or degraded) and all were written as flawed humans (or aliens) with strengths, weaknesses, fears, and goals.

    8. Sexay without being forced. The Solo movie isn't afraid to make the characters flirt, provide some harmless sexual tension, and show attraction to each other in a natural way (and there are some funny unexpected moments with this). There was something static and odd in TLJ, can't quite describe it, but you might know what I mean. Also nice to see some lovely space dresses. Yowzers! Ms. Qira looked fine! And Lando! My goodness is he suave. And that L3 has a sexy voice. Heck, maybe I'm going to swing pansexual myself after seeing this movie.


    (Note: I am female and love seeing a variety of ladies in SW. Qira brought a fascinating film noir element that was beautiful and mysterious.)


    9. Great acting. I was surprised. It took a bit of getting used to, but Alden is a great young Solo. Everyone was convincing and natural in their roles.

    10. Fun. There is a just a great sense of real fun that I missed. While I did find lots of things to admire in the latest installments, there was a purity of fun in the OT that was missing and it was found here. The audience laughed and clapped when the film ended.

    In closing, your message is important. But please don't boycott Solo. He may be our only hope.


    If you still have the urge to boycott SW to send your message, which I do understand, take it up with Episode 9. Solo is a hero and Mr. Ron Howard did a fantastic job. Thank you for restoring my faith in Star Wars.
     
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    I mentioned this before seeing it, and I'll say it again after having seen it, the irony of the movie like Solo is that it is geared towards and will rely on the support of Hardcore fans. My theater was so empty tonight, it hardly felt like a SW premiere, felt like what I would expect to see in the theater 4 or 5 weeks after opening. I'm actually a little bummed out. If this doesn't do well, I suspect that might make LFL think again about doing any more stand alones. If you can't sell Han, who can you sell in a stand alone?

    Still I don't blame the fans, LFL took a risk with TLJ and the consequences (whatever they may be) are theirs
     
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    My theater was packed and enthusiastic! There is always a broom boy ray of hope somewhere across the galaxy.
     
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    Please don't remind me of this... please. I've only started forgetting certain details of TLJ.

    My friend is a big fan. Unlike me, he liked TLJ and was hyped for Solo. He HATED the cameo. He said [... ] looked nothing like the original actor and hardly resembled himself from the movie. It looked like something out of cartoon, like they took him directly from the Rebels. It was awkward at best.
     
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    I can't lie, the cameo felt forced. I also felt the character looked nothing like the original. It didn't work for me at all. Also, I'd always appreciated the fact that we had never seen Maul in the movies again after Obi Wan cut him in half. I know it's canon that he survived (and bad planning that they killed him off and changed their mind) but it was something I was able to compartmentalize as something that they just carried through in the animated series. Seeing him on screen again just reminded of how ridiculous it was that he was still alive.
     
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    I don't think it was made for old fans.
    I think it was made for old and new ones.
    As every movie should.

    Then we may discuss if the goal was reached.

    And sure there are pros and contras looking at both the "targets"
    It's Solo, sure.
    But many of the old fan or among the general audience strongly identify Han with Ford.
    It's not a problem of mine.
    I can judge a performance per se. Just saying many do.

    The youngest don't have this kind of problem.

    Also, old fans may be more incline to perceive a character as "out" of character...
    Maybe the youngest don't.

    It's going to be interesting see how it goes...
     
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    There are consequences for tantrum throwers too, they risk discouraging products most likely to appeal to them and destroying the communities they have been showing their hind ends on that they supposedly enjoyed for years in many cases (though granted a number probably just popped in to join the stampede of teeth gnashing).

    It is also its own punishment, all that hate and entropy of the soul has to have some I'll effects.

    Being reactionary and hateful is not a long term recipe for best outcomes.

    Love Star Wars like a child, hate it like an adult.
     
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    Solo was made for fans.Its deserves our full support.

    I am preaching in my community , on my workplace, on the street, on social media after I saw it...to all, If TLJ has hurt you, exactly because of that go to see Solo, and support it.

    Solo respects us, fans,all fans, old fans.It respects original Star Wars. Its a film made by people who understand other people, and Star Wars, that makes distinction.

    Even if its imperfect its made by humans who understand how Star Wars work, and what are foundations of Star Wars.

    And Solo is good film. I preach to all, go to movie, its film that deserves fan support.

    Rise fans, rise.
     
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    I'm not boycotting, I am in just no rush to see it like previous SW movies where I couldn't wait for Opening Night. I'm sure I'll like Solo (as the reviews pretty much jive with what I thought in that it's good, but not great, and not as divisive as TLJ.) I'll probably wait as it will hit Netflix in a few months, so that is where I am at with SW fandom as I was always there opening night and multiple viewings too.
     
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    This boycotting idiocy can only make things worse. Because, if you stop seeing Star Wars movies, it doesn't mean that Disney would suddenly start making movies you personally want. It means that Disney would just stop making any Star Wars movies. So, if you are a real fan (and not some crazy-obsessed hater), than go and see Solo in the cinema. It deserves it. Pick the cheapest ticket, if you are cautious, but still go and see it.
     
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    That's how I feel about Episode 9. With the fate of the OT 3, I just don't feel that interested in it. I like Poe and there are some neat elements, but the story and characters are not strong enough on their own to make me thrilled for it. I'm sure I'll see it but I won't be in line on opening night or anything. If there are supposed Solo sequels I am already much more invested in that!
     
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    The one interesting thing I have noticed with many reviews is the reviewers who hated TLJ, like Solo, and the reviewers who liked TLJ, do not like Solo? Coincidence or is there is a correlation?
     
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    i loved both.

    and i don't automatically love everything and i certainly don't love easily.
     
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    You know, the crazy-obsessed haters are currently attacking SW are doing that, in part, because they disagree with the "SJW agenda". And who are the SJWs? Crazy-obsessed people, who attack movies bacause they disagree with their agendas. So yeah, great time to be alive, people.
     
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    It was a fantastic movie!! It's a shame its box office will suffer from the TLJ debacle, but hopefully this will begin to make things right.
     
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    The STAR WARS saga has been a reflection of Earth politics since the beginning.
     
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    It has/was but it was done right. It came through the stories in a natural and powerful way (showing it through the story/characters and the consequences of actions). The new movies tend to TELL instead of show. I mean, Rose literally TELLS you like 4 political sermons in under 5 minutes while we are still trying to get to know her character. It's all stuff I agree with of course (anti-animal cruelty, no slavery conditions, excessive greed =bad, war profiteering-bad) but the way it was handled was so hamfisted and silly that it made something that could have been subtle and powerful into bad dialogue and storytelling.

    The older movies also promoted feminism in a positive way through the awesomeness of the character Princess Leia. Sure, we could have used a few more girl characters but I would rather have one amazing developed female character than a bunch of bland or overpowered/flawless characters I cannot relate to. Leia always stood up for herself and retorted to Han etc., but he dished it out too (which was a joy to watch). Leia had her snarky moments with Han but she treated the other good guy male characters with respect.

    The male characters did not have to be bumbling or undervalued /degraded in order to show that Leia was a strong and bold female character. Also, I always loved seeing Mon Mothma. She had such a graceful but commanding presence. You could tell she earned the respect of the crew she commanded. You could see there were different ways to be a lady leader and both were positive and respectful examples.
     
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    It was the original actor
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    Weird because I find what you call sermons to be extremely mild. Anti-animal cruelty has no dialogue, you see some whipping and scars. Star Wars has mentioned slavery several times. I also believe excessive greed and war profiteering go along well with Star Wars anti-authoritarian message.
     
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    Nothing wrong with the messages, I mentioned that. They can easily fit in to the universe. You're correct about the slavery mentioned in SW, and it was much more powerful enduring Schmi's tribulations than Rose's exposition.

    It was just bad execution, too rushed, and too preachy from a character we just met. I'm not saying theses messages are wrong or should not be in the films, but the way they have been handled lately are "in your face" to the point that it is jarring and takes me out of the movie for a minute.



    The OT brilliantly included political messages; anti-authorian, devastation of war, the cost of greed, uniting for a good cause, etc. but it was done in a way that is universal and timeless. The "messages" of today, however, are often very hamfisted, tossed-in, preachy, and poorly executed. Zootopia does it right. It tells a story with a very political message in a way that is nuanced and thoughtful (and pretty creative). Many other stories and films these days just kind of lecture at the reader or viewer and its really getting annoying.

    Solo was refreshing to not have a lot of that going on. It's just a fun adventure with a lot of heart .
     
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    I still dont get how it was over-handed. They show what is basically a horse race and they show basically exactly what you see when you watch a horse race. Then at a glance you see a scar. No dialogue. You see DJ show who owns the ship and you discover that the person sold weapons to both side. Why would this bother anyone. I am just trying to understand what was in your face. If she had some monologue to the people at the casino I could understand better. But not asking Finn where he thought the $ came from.
     
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