SPECULATION 3 Jedi defenseless against Palpatine??

Lucas was trying to show how strong palpating really was and that he was unbeatable but the choreography should have been much more refined, I agree
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Didn't the novel say that Palpatine was so fast, they never had a chance to move? Or something.

 

If Yoda is powerful and skilled enough to be that fast, why do you find it so hard for Palpatine to be that accomplished? What is it about Palpatine that you found this scene hard to accept? The three Jedi who accompanied Mace weren't exactly him, Yoda or Dooku.

The only thing I can complain about this moment was that it was a little confusing. That I can understand. Otherwise, I see no reason why Palpatine was not capable of taking out those three Jedi so quickly.

 

It was originally going to be much more choreographed. Including the Windu/Palps part.

But they had to do most of it in wide shots, because they were using CGI over the stunt doubles face (as they did with Dooku).

Lucas decided he wanted to see more of Palps face, so they scrapped a lot of what was planned. He had Nic Gillard teach Ian and Sam Jackson a very simple and easy fight and focused more on the goofy faces.

I think the other 3 guys at the beginning were a casualty to this change - because the OP is right: the first two just stand there while he stabs them. And Kit Fisto gets like one saber clash and he's gone.

It's a little lazy to my eye when you watch it too, but I've since let it go.

(but for the record: I agree. Even if Palps was that strong and fast to stab number one, then stab number two, Kit and Mace should've killed him while he was doing that, not stand around watching - they were in a very small confined space as a matter of fact.)

 

I agree that I always found this hard to accept. Especially once he started murdering them, the others had a major opening to kill him, and it would've been totally justified. However, I can sort of see how it might work...

-I think the Jedi Council is more accustomed to discussion and meditation rather than combat. Being warriors is not their #1 priority.
-Palpatine is the Chancellor. Even if they are justified in killing him, who knows how people would've reacted to that.
-It's really no surprise that, when people are shocked and panicked, they can make very poor decisions. Maybe they weren't really expecting Palpatine to fight back, and when he did, they just choked under the pressure. I know this isn't really something you would expect from a Master Jedi, but I think it's true that even very wise people can make very bad decisions, given the right (or wrong?) circumstances.

 

That's actually a medical diagnosis that can literally happen in real life
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Um, the way the two just kind of stand there looking sideways and seemingly frozen, does strongly imply that this is exactly what happened.

The droning score also contributes to this impression, as does Palpatine's "surreal, demonic" scream right before that.


It could even be a Flash Gordon reference, judging by how Palpatine kind of takes his sweet time before the first stab..

However:

...the fact that this isn't certain, and the possibility that it actually was awkward choreography and editing (perhaps some C-camera side angle thing squeezed in there while they were hastily redesigning the scene?), is obviously still a failing of the movie.

It should've been 100% convincing, if not 100% clear - if there were to be speculation, it would've had to be about what cool thing happened there, not whether a cool thing happened or it was sloppy execution.

Wouldn't even be that strange, as there actually is some "BB/TDK" type action in places - nowhere to that extent obviously, but like some of the Jedi vs. robot shoot-outs in the first half of TPM, and a lot in the arena battle, have that clunky, messy editing/quality to them.

So this'd be just another example of that, if it were the case.

 

Lucas made sure we saw this golden face...

 

The habit of people calling their face expressions goofy or comical or whatever is kind of getting annoying - or, rather, has become annoying years ago.

Some of the stills are exploitable in the context of like a shiteposting message board atmosphere, but that's it - there's no unintentional comedy in that sequence in the movie. That comes later.

 

The first two kills were scary and creepy - they looked disoriented or hypnotized, and he just stung through them like butter it was awesome.


Fisto went down like a Vhlor - though I understand he's into that.

 

Its beyond ridiclulous. The coreography and editing is just so... bad. Palpatine jumps in, pulls his sword back and delivers his stab in an incredibly slow fashion... Some of the greatest jedi masters (warmed up for a fight) act like clueless idiots.
Also, I still continue to advocate against the idea of Palpatine using a lightsaber. In the OT he thought those were just toys. Before RotS I've always thought he'd never use one, as its inferior to him. Also where does he keep it? He always carried a lightsaber in his sleeve? And he also had an extra one?!
I really dont like it.

 

People just don't read thread posts these days do they /fingerwag /chastise /sigh

 

Hadn't the Jedi been engaged in a three year war against the Separatists by this point? And I've noticed that when it comes to the Sith, they are not inclined to be reasonable. Not even Yoda.


Yes, the execution of the scene was a bit clumsy. But I find the idea that it was improbable for Palpatine to defeat three Jedi Knights so quickly hard to swallow. I wonder if so many are complaining due to a desire for a more drawn out duel between Palpatine, Mace and the three other Jedi. Well, we got the drawn out duel, but only between Palpatine and Mace.

 

I was a interesting encounter with the jedi suddenly being powerless against Sidious he dropped them one by one, despite being armed with lightsabers they were just outclassed.