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3 Reasons only Ben Solo can successfully re-start the Jedi Order

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by techsteveo, Apr 23, 2018.

  1. Bunai

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    A guy who wants to kill Jedi would want to restart a new Jedi group...
    Sure.
     
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    That was not what Yoda said. He said she had the knowledge in the texts because SHE LITERALLY HAS THE BOOKS! Not because she is magic Rey or Space Jesus Two Electric Boogaloo.

    Nor does Yoda even imply that the knowledge in the books is what one needs to know to be a Jedi.

    I swear it often seems like a lot of folks saw some Bizzaro World version of this movie from my point of view.

    It's like the film is is some new level of subjective never seen before.

    Rian Johnson apparently created quantum subjectivity that somehow generates nearly infinite impressions all at the same time no matter how at odds or even mutually exclusive the impressions are.

    Is this an experiment by The Architect or a glitch in The Matrix where millions all got delivered various forms of a movie?

    Hey, there has to be something to a movie that can generate so much of a response. No real similar examples spring to mind not at this sort of concentration.
     
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    "that library contained nothing that the girl Rey does not already possess."

    that is what Yoda says. that is all he says.

    it's neither about the literal books nor about being prepossesively "magical."
    it's about understanding and belief.
    Luke taught Rey the most important things she needed to know about the Force:
    • it's an energy that binds all living things in the universe.
    • it's dark and it's light and it's balance.
    • it does not belong to anyone to control or dictate; one could say it's a gift freely given (like grace).
    the rest is just scribbling and bibbling, bibbling and scribbling.
     
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    He killed his father. He's irredeemable.
     
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    He killed his father who forgave him. That makes him very redeemable.
     
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    Lmao, what?

    Han forgives Ben and THEN Ben kills Han. That’s an even BIGGER dick move.
     
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    You should watch this scene again. Han touches his son's face AFTER he got killed. Han forgave Kylo killing him.
     
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    Han forgave him from the start. I don’t think that makes Ben redeemable. If anything, that moment of forgiveness is what tears him in two. Just because Ben knows he’s an Peedunky doesn’t mean he can be forgiven for it. If he began to turn after that moment, I’d be with you. But, that isn’t what happens. He doubles down after the murder. Ben is complicated and I think that’s what makes him interesting and I love the character. But, based on TFA and TLJ, I don’t think he can be redeemed. A redemption would make him less interesting. Ben isn’t like Anakin. He’s worse.
     
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    If you think about it Han had no reason to forgive his son before he got killed. Kylo was the one who had to forgive, but he failed.

    Actually he doesn't. He feels weakened and even more conflicted because of his deed.

    He's a reversed Anakin or an Anti-Luke.
     
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    Interesting.
     
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    I don't think the Jedi Order is going to get rebuilt nor does it seem like Luke or even Yoda want the Jedi Order rebuilt the way we knew.

    Both Luke and Rey are trained as Jedi to bring balance to the force not to bring back the Jedi. People think the two are mutually exclusive but i don',t we've just been led down that path of thinking by the previous movies.
     
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    At this point I am wondering if ep 9 is the last time we see Jedi at all. The new trilogy by RJ doesn't need to include it and with no sith in the area why have them continue? Sure I want to see it but it isn't a big deal unless they have Rey come back in a later film.
     
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    This is my train of thought as well. They both dabble with light and dark, but from opposite sides.

    With all the talk about balance (and let's not forget that image of the first Jedi in the pool), being two sides of the same coin might be the way.
    Also, they now have all the knowledge available to them: ancient (the books), old (PT/ OT) and modern (Luke in TLJ/ their own lessons based on this).

    In the past I've theorized that a new kind of Mortis trio might be created: Rey (Daughter), Ben (Son), Luke (Father).
    However, after learning Rey is the Force's counter to Ben, a middle person might not be necessary.

    Hopefully I'm making sense somewhat.
     
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    I think it’s actually the possibility of a redemption (not the redemption in itself) what makes Kylo most interesting, the “will he” “won’t he” question mark about him. I’d say that if he’s redimed his redemption would be the end of the journey for our villain -and perhaps the beginning of his journey as a hero, but I’d say that would be a completely different trilogy.
     
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    It could also be the beginning of his journey as a fully formed villain if he doesn't get redeemed. :p But in the end I don't care if he gets redeemed or not, as long as the story is well told and as long as it's the last Skywalker trilogy.
     
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    Ben will be banned to Ach-To and drink green milk forever
     
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    A fully formed villain without conflict is not interesting IMO. If Kylo is not redeemed I’m almost sure he will die.
     
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    I agree somewhat with the ideas mentioned above. But I think the most logical reason Ben will be come back to the light is because there is no New Republic at this point. It had been decimated. once Ben turns, since he is the Surprme Leader, all those star destroyers, dreadnaughts, and at-ats are suddenly part of the Republic, intact, and ready to go. This is a decent way to end the skywalker saga.
     
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    I agree completely. But when I think of a new Jedi order, I think of "gray" Jedi.
     
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    this is the way to get all the cool old sorta Imperial-looking tech, troopers, etc. on the good side.
    which i thought was the idea since TFA.

    but i guess we'll see what happens. : o p
     
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