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Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by BB-Rey, Sep 15, 2014.

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Would you like it if Darth Plagueis was the villain of the Sequel Trilogy?

  1. Yeah! He is a very interesting character!

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  2. No thanks, Plagueis is dead.

    189 vote(s)
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  3. Nope! He never actually existed.

    29 vote(s)
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  4. Yes, but he is in the movie as a corpse.

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  5. He will be mentioned in another "throwaway line" only.

    28 vote(s)
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  6. He is Snoke in disguise.

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  7. Yes, his death was a ruse.

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  8. I don't care either way, brah.

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  9. Of course, who else would you choose?

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  1. Fuzzball

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    It's also my favourite Prequels scene.

    In my mind, I always believed that scene was Anakin being told by Sidious ever so subtly that Plagueis used his powers to create him. I didn't buy the idea Sidious made him up or he wasn't his master. For the Sequels, I thought that was going to be the importance of Snoke's character — to reveal the origins of Skywalker. However, we all know how that ended :oops::rolleyes:. It's ironic J.J also stated in that interview he was bummed by the premature death of Maul's character, "The reason I didn’t love that was only because I remember, the posters would advertise Darth Maul, you know the feeling of, ‘Oh my God,” here we go and then he was over.” I know the feeling, J.J! :oops::rolleyes:

    Now, I'm beginning to believe Sidious created Anakin and cheated death by using the powers Plagueis taught him. I think that's a big reason why JJ wanted Sidious back. J.J might've originally intended Snoke for this role before Rian altered that, or maybe J.J intended for both Sidious and Snoke in the finale? Who knows? I could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time :oops::rolleyes:).
     
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    The Plagueis novel set the table for so much awesomeness.... and then they deleted it.

    JJ loved Darth Plagueis and RJ obviously hated him... and here we are.
     
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    Why did RJ "obviously" hate him? Just because he didn't use him in TLJ(as far as we know ;))? (In which case I'd strongly (but respectfully) disgaree... but would be your right to interpret that way of course) Or did he actually say so? (In which case fair enough!).

    I agree about the Plagueis novel setting up much awesomeness... I like to think it was placed before the canon cut-off for specific reasons rather than arbitrarily got the chop - i.e. they knew they wanted to deal with elements of that book in future material so had to de-canonise it for now, whilst not being prevented from bringing things back if and when they want to. Which they still could. :)
     
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    If RJ loved him, we wouldn't be posting here.
     
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    I just hope we don't get Sidious in the flesh, just a simulacrum of some sort. I don't want to see Anakin's redemptive act to have been for nothing. It would diminish a six movie character arc.
     
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    They really should have just had the big bad in IX reveal himself as none other than Darth Plagueis. Bringing back Palps is problematic at best. I love me some Palps but yeah, they could easily have made Snoke Plagueis and have him reveal that you can't simply kill him like they thought they did in VIII. "Only now, at the end, do you understand the true power of the dark side!!!"

    Oh well. I don't think they will do another trilogy of saga films, at least not for the foreseeable future. They seem desperate to hurry up and move on In some ways I don't blame them, but in other ways I think this is a mistake and could be a disaster. Only time will tell but I admit I'm not too positive about the future of Star Wars under Disney, The Mandalorian not withstanding.
     
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    We have recently been informed that your expectations are going to be the problem.



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    Personaly, I don't think Plageius himself would be that interesting, to tell the truth. If you haven't read the books and comics then Plageius is just some background name with a single throw away mentioning in RotS, which isn't a lot of setup for a final boss reveal 6 movies later...

    IMHO, Palpatine, who has had 4 entire movies worth of set-up (+a cameo in ESB & a throw away mentioning in ANH), is a MUCH better end-of-the-series boss choice. All they have to do to make Palpy work is,
    a) mention/hint that Palpy lied to make Anakin his puppet (i.e. that Palpy already had acquired, or knew of a certain way to acquire, the knowledge to cheat death, thereby referencing Plageius), which quite frankly is almost a given for the Anakin's fall scenario & Palpy's character;
    b) explain that Snoke was another manipulated puppet;
    c) point out that Palpy used said knowledge to cheat death to survive the DS2 destruction in some pitiful form that he is now in the final stage to recover from.

    There, you have the most thoroughly established bad guy in Star Wars return for the finale, which makes a lot more sense than some dude mentioned once in passing in an exposition scene.

    Does Palpy surviving cheapen the RotJ climax? Nope, the Rebels still beat the evil Empire against all odds and Anakin was still redeamed AND saved Luke.

    Palpy is WAY the better choice.

    Edit: Thanks for the red mark, @Callosbruh. Great stuff!
     
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    Hopefully they are this careful with it and take a moment to explain it. If it's done well I think I could accept it/buy it/whatever however you wanna phrase it. If he is in a pitiful state, then it could be okay. Like Anakin took him out enough that he's been just hanging on.

    But they could also do the same with Plagy. They could have made Snoke Plagy and just had him back this one. One of my pet peeves with Hollywood is they tend to think the audience is stupid. Yeah sure, people are pretty dumb, but when it comes to films, you'd be surprised at how much they can take in and "get."

    I don't know. I'm not a consultant so no one really cares about my 2 cents. :D I just REALLY want to like this film. I just want it to make sense and tie the room together (I mean trilogy:p). If they can do that, I'm sure I'll not be complaining.
     
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    This. You are absolutely correct.


    Seriously though: "THE OPERA HOUSE WAS JUST ONE SCENE THAT NO ONE REALLY REMEMBERS!" -makes me laugh every time I read something like it. Normies don't go see the same flick 14 times in the theater. This is Star Wars and those of us fans/nerds/trolls who do go 50 times, well.... WE remember every thing. lol
     
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    So we hear: “The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural”.

    we get confirmation that ALL Sith spirits live in the Palpatine corpse. That would include Plagueis then.

    Close this thread down! Plagueis confirmed! Our work here is done!!
     
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    My last ever post. Thanks for the memories.

    #PlagueisWasKeyToAllThis

    ITG out.

     
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    He is risen! He is risen!
     
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    Palpatine rose . . . . Plagueis still dead.;)
     
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    B4 u go: Tell me, what remains of the Legacy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?

    A man's man always knows when its time to walk away.

    Fair thee well brother, wherever thou goest.

    Feels like they tried to erase EVERYTHING Damask ever did or, was responsible for.
     
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    Personally, I'm relieved that TROS said what it did in terms of

    Darth Sidious being "all the Sith."

    If you follow the new logic set forth in TROS, then

    Darth Sidious last absorbed Darth Plagueis, who, at that point, in the Prequel Trilogy, was then cumulatively every Sith preceding him.

    Darth Sidious was the last host for this Sith transference.

    So, at that point, Palpatine/Sidious essentially ceased to exist as a singular personality and became Darth Plagueis + all prior Sith + the Sith aspects of Sidious.

    So, indirectly, Plagueis still managed to make all of this possible, as he was the one to have pushed the science/Sith alchemy further toward making "cheating death" a viable possibility.

    For me, this gives the ROTS "ironic" opera quote (Palpatine's) much heavier and sinister meaning, since, at that point, it was not merely Palpatine speaking but rather Darth Plagueis somewhat bragging about himself, in a sense, and terming the entire Paltpatine-betrays-Plagueis scenario "ironic" because it enabled him to jump to Palpatine, surviving in the survivor, who was now no longer himself.

    So, for all our theorizing in this thread, Plagueis was the turning point that made Sidious' shocking return a possibility in the Sequel Trilogy, as it was essentially Plagueis + Palpatine + all other Sith working together at that point to become meta-super-villainous.

    On a related note, it was then Plagueis, who made "making Snoke" a possibility: establishing a temporal host which could then be inhabited and/or puppeteered long-distance.

    This leads to another possibility: this latest Sith discovery then made the Vader helmet/Ren and Ren/Rey "Force-skyping" a viable tool in the Sith agenda to corrupt Ben Solo and then manipulate him and Rey in tandem, first via Snoke, and then, at last, through the phantom/zombie Emperor/meta-Sith-receptacle resurrected.

    So, if anything, I believe TROS has breathed new life into the Plagueis discussion!

    "Ironic" indeed!

    (emperor)
     
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    Posted this theory in another thread, but since it related to Plagueis and specifically why the Darth Plagueis book is removed from canon.

    Darth Plagueis is in TROS, as is all the other known canon Darth's except for Vader.

    How and why the book isnt canon any longer although it meshes very well into PT.

    Do we really know why Sith has Rule of Two? Darth Bane discovered something that became how the Sith created the Rule of Two. What he discovered was how to take over his apprentice body, absorb its power and continue living. So Master trains apprentice, apprentice kills master, master essence or spirit takes over apprentice. Now the apprentice is the new master and they continue the cycle growing in strength and mastering the dark side. That all got disrupted by Anakin when either he got terribly disfigured or when he saved Luke. Sidious wanted Luke as new apprentice because Vader was in bad shape and Sidious didnt think he would survive being taken over. Then Sidious gets nearly destroyed. We dont know exactly how is nearly lifeless body got from Death Star 2 to Exegol. Somtime we will. Sidious is having his acolytes/supporters look for a new host. Could Baby Yoda be a possibility? Only time will tell. Then he tries to get Rey that fails, then he tries to get Ben Solo, until Rey pops up again.

    So book isnt canon because it didnt detail this when Sidious destroys his master.
     
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    If it is one thing we can take away from TROS, It's Plagueis will always live inside us
     
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    The fault lies with the very first Apprentice of Bane's Order.... Darth Zannah.


    Once my favorite, now she is nothing.


    She failed. All of us.













    This post contains Sith'ari sarcasm.
     
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    i'm not giving up hope. if the sequel trilogy ever gets redone to tell a real story then my money is on Plagueis and The Whills as connective tissue to the rest of the saga.
     
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