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SPECULATION Do Rey's Parents Matter?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by DailyPlunge, Apr 7, 2018.

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Do Rey's Parents Matter?

  1. No - Kylo Ren and the new Jedi Order are Rey's priorty

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  2. Yes - The key to Rey's future is in her past

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  1. CTrent29

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    Rey's parents would have matter if she had been part of the Skywalker family line. But since she is not, no. And since she is not a Skywalker, I see no earthly reason why the Sequel Trilogy should be considered part of the Skywalker family saga.

    This is just disgusting beyond belief.
     
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    Because Ben Solo is in it. And Luke Skywalker. And Leia Organa.
    That's 3 Skywalkers.
    As many as any other movie had in it outside of ANH. (Justice for Beru and Owen!)
     
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    I kind of agree with this. This trilogy should have been about the Grandchildren of Anakin Skywalker. About how Luke wasn't a traditional Jedi, was able to marry and have a family AND be a Jedi. How the New Jedi Order did things differently. If done right, the story of Rey could have been compelling. The rise of the First Order could have been compelling. The fall of Ben Solo could have been compelling. Instead, everything interesting happened off screen or we are supposed to suspend belief and take it for what it is. The handling of Rey's parent's is an epic fail in my opinion.
     
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    I wonder why they chose to have all three heroes be failures to end the Skywalker saga? Assuming Kylo dies redeemed at the end of Episode 9, that would leave Rey to carry on the legacy of the Jedi and the Skywalkers/Solo's. A pretty big task not even Luke Skywalker could achieve. Not a great ending to me.
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    But did we? I still believe Anakin was created by Palpatine or Plagueis or both. Much more interesting if this is what is revealed. The Skywalkers were created by the dark side which is why it's so hard to resist.
     
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    I know I've said it before, but I wish they didn't make such a big mystery of Rey's family. I just Rey knew that she was an orphan and remembered her parent's death. She can be the "Ben Kenobi" of this trilogy (no relation). Rey is exemplary of the light side of the force to Kylo Ren's dark side. I just think J.J. mystery box backfired when it came to Rey. If the audience knew from the beginning as to who she is and where she comes from, her motivation would have been more compelling when she joined the resistance. I honestly still don't understand Rey's motivation.
     
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    Han wasn't a failure in the end. Neither was Luke. And Leia hasn't been a failure either.
    Not sure why you think they were. They were flawed. They had struggles but they weren't failures.
    Luke ends as the hero everyone imagined him to be.
    Han ends as the father he never thought he could be.
    Leia ends....yet to be seen.

    Yes. He was literal space Jesus. An immaculate conception who is the chosen one. How is that anything but Space Jesus?
    Why is it much more interesting? What about it makes it more interesting other than tying into some character that:
    A. No one outside of this website and a handful like it, know about, care about or would give two shits about hearing the name "Plagueis" in a movie. It would be 100000% perfunctory fan service to a very select few. Unless they spend half the movie explaining Plagueis, in which case...zzzZZzzzzz...the general audience will start to check out with ANOTHER big bad the learn about.
    B. Palpatine was dead long before Rey was a thing. Plagueis even longer. How does this happen without some ridiculous writing that likely leaves most people in the dust.
     
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    Agree 100%. But don't you know a lightsaber called to her? lol.
     
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    They really didn't. To JJ's credit, he *tried* to de-mystery box Rey's family so the reveal of no one shouldn't have been a surprise but everyone kept overthinking it.
    Rey literally tells us "I'm nobody" but brains are so hardwired with how stories are told now that everyone has to be related to everyone else somehow....
     
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    I was saying it would be much more interesting if Anakin was created by Palpatine or Plaguesis. I don't care about DP, just saying it would end the space Jesus ideas which would be a good thing.
     
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    He'd still be Space Jesus. Who made him is irrelevant is my point.
    He's an immaculately conceived child who fulfills the prophecy of the chosen one.
     
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    Nobody that had the Skywalker saber call to her. Saw Skywalker memories and events. Could force pull the Skywalker saber over Kylo. Was as powerful as a Skywalker. Hmmm. I wonder why people would think that.
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    Space Jesus would be created by a higher power like the force itself. Being created by manipulating the midicholrians isn't space Jesus.
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    So many people had made this "mistake" that maybe it's not the audience it's the story tellers. Nobody had these issues with the OT because the stories were told WAAAAAAY better.

    Also, the reason people cannot accept what's being said in the films is because they contradict themselves. On one hand we have a vision of her being abandoned. On the other we have Kylo saying they are dead on Jakku and sold her for booze. Which are we to believe? Again, when you throw stuff out there that doesn't add up, it creates questions.
     
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    Old people change and get jaded. I fully understand Luke's problems but Rey nobody? I'm sorry doesn't compute in my book. Lets see how JJ plays with this in EP9... Still remaining optimistic that Kylo Ren is a big cry-baby liar. He lied to Hux. "The girl murdered Snoke" Kylo said. ;)... Rey's parents do indeed matter, to me that is.
     
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    You are the one putting the emphasis on the Skywalker part.
    That's JJ mystery boxing it up.
    She says she is no one. Maz says her past doesn't matter, her future does.
    All the words lay grounds for her being no one.
    The "force back" just shows key events. And some random ones. But none of it ultimately mattered (yet) except for the Luke by R2 as the temple burns.

    She didn't pull the saber over Kylo. That isn't a test of strength. The force has a desire to seek balance. It chose Rey because Rey was needed for balance.

    You are taking this too literal. It's all metaphorical. An immaculately conceived child is a Jesus metaphor; especially in the context of a chosen one.

    These issues didn't exist in the OT because people didn't have head canon and personal theories about was or wasn't Star Wars. It just was. No one bitched about force ghosts or new powers. No one complained when Luke basically became self taught. It just was. If the internet was around in 1980 we would have had 3 years of people SWEARING Vader was lying about being Luke's father because it's too convenient. Which brings the point....for 3 years 77-80, there was no special Skywalker blood. There was no "Strong as a Skywalker" and there's really nothing saying that a Skywalker has to be super strong in the force. Leia isn't. Shmi wasn't. Owen wasn't. Beru wasn't. It's something Legends and fans decided on.

    People decided what they wanted the answer to "who is Rey" and became entrenched. That's not on the story tellers. JJ gave RJ a billion outcomes to pick from. If she were a legacy name or a no one...there's equal reason for BOTH answers in the movies. It's entirely ambiguous and was the making of speculation that it became so crazy popular to make Rey parentage theories.
     
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    Remember this trailer?
    "The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. My sister has it. You have that power too." If Rey or Finn were always supposed to be NOBODY, then they were setting up misdirection from the very beginning. Read the Youtube comments from 2015. You'll see how many people thought Rey was related. Read these boards after the film. Easily 50/50 people thought she was a Skywalker.
    No, the reason is George Lucas didn't give us any misdirection. He didn't HINT at stuff that turned out to be false. He didn't need to because the story stood on it's own. JJ and RJ tried to one up each other and shock the audiences but it fell flat for MANY of us, leaving people disappointed.
    This comment makes no sense. Leia force pulled herself from the vacuum of space and survived. Probably with little practice, just instinct. Luke even says the only other person he has seen as powerful is Ben Solo...a Skywalker. Owen, Shmi and Beru weren't created by the force so that comment makes no sense. If we take the whole Space Jesus thing as canon, then Shmi is like Mary. Not a god. She had no powers like Jesus had.
    BS! The story tellers gave us the thoughts with misdirection in the trailers, imagery, dialog, etc.

    Again, I don't think her parents actually matter to the story. I just don't know why they (JJ/RJ) wanted to make this an issue with all of the misdirection. Don't even get me started about how JJ teased fans with Finn being a Jedi with him holding the lightsaber in the poster. I'm sorry, good story telling doesn't need to mislead just for shock value.
     
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    Trailers aren't made by the studios.

    Of course a comment doesn't make sense when you completely remove the context around it. And on that note, I'm done arguing in circles with you. Have a good one.
     
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    Who's arguing? I have thought about everything you have said and justified it all in my mind. Just check my previous posts. I enjoyed TFA and TLJ. I used to defend TLJ. But for me, TLJ just hasn't aged well. The fact that Rian had to have a scene where Kylo teases Rey "I know who your parents are" means that the RJ (and JJ) made a conscience choice to make her parents an issue. Otherwise, it wouldn't be presented in that way. Fans have a right to be disappointed in the direction they took just as others can love their choices.

    Personally, I find that TLJ has killed my excitement for stories post ROTJ. There's literally nothing to root for. We've seen this all before. I don't find seeing Rey train new Jedi interesting. I would have LOVED to see Luke train new Jedi and deal with the perils of being a Jedi Master. We didn't get that.

    The bigger story of star systems needing hope and coming together to form an Alliance to fight the FO has been done. Luke gave the galaxy hope when he destroyed the Death Star. The Rebellion grew. Now Luke gave them hope again. And a new Rebellion will grow. And they will win. And Rey will be in the exact same position as Luke at the end of ROTJ.
     
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    Rey’s motivation is finding a higher purpose in life. She was set up as a character with strength, intelligence and integrity in TFA. She needs to get more out of life than the dried portions in her grim existence in Jakku.
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    Sorry but releasing a teaser or a poster has nothing to do with the story... those things are just there to catch our attention.

    I honestly can’t understand why people are so averse at being intrigued and surprised. There is nothing more frustrating and boring than reading or viewing something where everything is spelt out or full of cliches and predictable outcomes...

    I can only say thank god for writers like Kasdan, JJ and RJ, who know how to make stories compelling. People forget it is not an easy thing to do.
     
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    There are some differences which you seem to be papering over when comparing today to 1980. There wasn't 3-4 decades of built up material on the GFFA back in 1980. You can't get around that. And back then I thought Vader was lying. Heck that is what bad guys do. They lie to try and get an advantage. I was wrong. I also think Kylo is lying. I guess we will find out in about 13 months.

    Personally, I like the idea of Rey being the "everyman" but I don't like the way they've set her up to be super powerful. No explanation as to why she can speak droid, she can intuitively fix a star ship she's never been on, she can fly it, etc... Explanation being: she's just super powerful in the force. Okay, sure, but why? Why is she able to do things with no training when it took others, including "space Jesus" years of training to accomplish? There needs to be some sort of explanation for this.

    As for Owen and Beru, they weren't Skywalkers. Owen is Anakin's step brother, not his brother through blood. Beru is related to Anakin also only through marriage, not blood relations.
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    I actually don't find RJ to be worth a damn as a writer, but to each his own. I really liked what JJ and Kasdan did with TFA... RJ.... I'll leave it at this:

    RJ's film was quite predictable in that he tried to subvert everything and everyones expectation. At some point it gets predictable.
     
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    Hey!!! I haven't argued with you in months!:) We went round and round about TLJ and Rey and now, based on this post, I …. agree with you? TLJ also killed my excitement and I can't think of anything to root for either. Maybe we'll get a really awesome teaser trailer for IX and get excited again. One can always hope!
     
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    Not one other Star Wars movie poster had misdirection like the Sequels. Every character with a lightsaber was a Jedi until JJ Abrams. If you think false flags are good for a story then I'm sure you love it. Give me a straight up surprise I didn't see coming that works for the story, great. Don't give me misdirection just to be cute.
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    Lol. I know I've been taking a break from Star Wars. Like I said in a previous post, TLJ hasn't aged well for me. How they handled Rey's background is at the top of my list of disappointments now. I'm fine with her being a nobody or being a Skywalker. But they didn't need to drag it out with false flags just to make her a random from Jakku. My two cents.
     
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