Swords and melee fighting in SW and real life

Hello my friend @Star Dude , and a Happy New Year since the last one.

After many, many years of trying and error, I will never say another thing.....

Hammers, Maces, Clubs and Axes are the best Melee Weapons by far, mainly because:
- they deal severe injuries no matter where you hit your oponnent
- they don't consider opposing armour at all, it's exactelly the same hit a head or a helmet head
- they are just DUMB weapons, no expertize is needed to use them, no need to practice just cluber everything
- users don't need to consider protection from the enemy, it's all push and club forward (no Hammer or Axe\Mace user wears a shield EVER nor Armour)
- they allow users to control initiative in a combat, the Hammer\Axe user will never stand or guard, he will Always PUSH FORWARD against the enemy

The use of Swords is dictated by other circumstances where they serve better than the others above:
- Swords are mainly a cavalry weapon, because it's VERY difficult to stand and deliver clubering from a horse back, therefore the horse raiders USE swords to pass and cut thru the enemy ranks (even with gun powder weapons the cavalry Saber was Cavalry main weapon until late in Warfare)
- Swords allow Parrying, fight sword against sword like a ceremonial thing, you can never parry with hammers\axes because they would break into everything easely while swords allow the fighting dance between the opponents (again this is just a visual thing, ok for a couple of guys showing off their sword skills but in combat there would never be space and time to fight this way and on other hand this will demonstrate the main failure in sword fighting, mastering sword techniques will take to much time to train significant number of soldiers and in combat there will never be space enough to sword parrying)
- Swords could also be used in particular combat situations were cutting and slashing remain the objective, things like the japanese Katana or the arab Cimitar come to mind, the figth with them is a fluid circular thing cutting opponents along the way but again this is not a combat technique just a fighting style you could use against a guy or a thief because it would take time and space to execute.

But there's no need to wonder witch one are the best because military history as proven again and again that swords are not great melee weapons, greatest blatant examples:

- At the height of the Cavalry Age, XI-XIII Centuries, King Harold few Huskarls conquered Britain throne with the "Danish Axe" against a vast superior knight army.

- With the coming of the "Halberd", XIII-XIV Centuries, the mounted sworded knight was vanquished from the battlefield.

Edit:

Even in ancient times Swords weren't the weapon of choice, Swords were mainly a prove of stature, a nobliarquic thing. The Weapon of the armies in the ancient times was the spear, again very cheap to produce and fast to train in comparison to the sword, and the devastating close melee weapons were the Axes, Maces and Hammers because they were easy to use and they were available on the daily live to the peasants.

For Example in the "Illiad" at least 80% of the kills are made with spears and the Helenic Clubs are the must feared weapons.

 

I vote for Obi Wan vs Darth Vader on Death Star I. In the light of Obi Wan vs Darth Maul on Tatooine you see this is two masters fighting with a stripped down one-hit one-kill method which is on another level.you can see this sh*t in shotokan karate.its the highest level.

 

@Star Dude, it's taken me far, FAR too long to notice this, and for that I apologize. TPM Maul fight wins for me, but the fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin in ROTS is a close second.

 

If JJ lets Kylo (and/or Rey) fight against the KOR in EPIX, then people will compare it with this fight and say it's just a rip off. So, JJ has a pretty difficult task to deal with.

 

Neither nor. ;D

In my mind there should be three KOR scenes:
1) the KOR attacking a Resistance or Republic base (compare it with the opening of The Dark Knight)
2) the KOR training on Mustafar while Kylo is watching or a Kind Arthur like table scene with the knights and Kylo
3) a fight against the knights

 

I am loving the ligthsabers duels of the ST so far. They are intense and at the same time beautiful coreographated. Luke x Kylo in Crait is memorable.

 

I took a long sword class my shoulders were burning.It was fun!

 

I train as much as I can at least 2-3 times a week with the sticks. The instructor for the long sword is ok. She gets great guest swordsman to teach her class. Those guys are talented. They give us a history lesson then we begin to train. My goal is to train with one of those swordsman because they are intense. I barely work up a sweat when she teaches the class thats why I stopped going. I will never stop escrima, its a wonderful art, knives, sticks, and empty hands.

 

I practice the Lightsaber treatsies/forms of Ataru, Makashi, and Shien/Djem So. I am also a practioner of the European Martial Arts: Spadda Longa (Long Sword), Spadda de Filio (Side Sword, Musketeer weapon), Sword and Shield, and Half-Swording.

I also self taught myself Kendo/Kenjitsu, the treatsies of the Samurai, and Ninjitsu.

 

Fascinating. It is interesting how the Ninja as depicted in most media is based on supernatural legend called the Ninji, while the real Ninjas looked like normal people and assasinated people in regular clothing.

 

Look up AMTGARD it is a fantasy LARP but they fight very similarly to how lightsaber combat would be handled realistically.

 

That and folktale figures like Goemon.

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Personally, I would love to see a lightsaber polearm. Like a glaive or a naginata.

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Depends on environment. In the narrow confines of a ship, a sword is probably better. A smallsword may be good if you want to focus on penetration with multiple thrusts.