THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Fair enough.

Our heroes have become completely delusional in this ST. Bad father, bad mother, bad uncle, bad master.

The only way to complete this family saga is that ep IX will be on a galactic Jerry Springer Show.

 

That would be a great SNL skit!

Jerry Springer: Anakin, can we talk about how you treated your family? You choked your wife, tortured your daughter, carbon froze your future son-in-law and chopped off your son's hand! Did your daddy not love you as a kid?

Anakin: There was no father, the force created me!

Jerry Springer: Oh boy, does this have to do with Midiclorians cause I'm already confused!

 

Actually, it would have been a decent plot that if instead of Luke trying to kill his nephew, Ben Solo just turned away off his family after he discovered that Luke and Leia kissed and all the Skywalker family had in his bags.

" I just down want to be a part of this " --> Turned to the dark side.

Even Snoke seemed less insane than everyone in his family

 

Charles Manson moment? WOW!

 

It’s obvious that Han didn’t want to get into detail. He feels he failed as a husband and as a father and want to talk about it with as much distance as possible. I found it all very fitting.

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Again, Leia suspected Luke retired to the Jedi temple planet after the destruction of the Jedi school. Luke did not leave any clue behind. Lor san tekka has a map to the temple planet but the map was useless as it could not be located within the bigger galactic chart R2 has in his memory.

@TrumanJ I think in all the movies I am most familiar with it is made clear that astromech droids keep information with hack proof security... R2 would only show the Leia full clip to Obi-Wan in ANH, no matter how hard Luke tried to extract the information from him... Also, remember what kylo tells Rey: “somehow you convinced the droid to show you the map, you... scavenger”. Kylo obviously knows about droids like bb8 only showing information if they want to. This factoid about astromechs units has been already sufficiently established to understand nobody being able to extract the full galactic chart from r2.

 

There is no information in TFA who make people think Leia knows where is Luke.

 

I think encouraging a discourse on social issues in entertainment, art and education is not only desirable but absolutely necessary. This is of course my opinion, but I believe in it very strongly. SW raising gender issues by having a young petulant man and his master underestimating the power of “a girl” is a very relevant message to offer a younger audience. Women in positions of power are a necessity in our world, east or west, north or south, and anything that promotes is hugely welcomed in my eyes.

Also, to show that A stormtrooper, a slave programmed to fight for the wrong cause, has humanity underneath is also an important message to offer to the young. The idea that certain people do not have the luxury, due to unfortunate upbringing and circumstances, to act in a humane manner because they don’t know any better or because their decisions are made for them is very relatable. The fact that Finn defects and turns good shows that there is hope, that people can overcome their “programming” and become a better person, and that what they need is encouragement, a “Poe” and a “Rey” that believe in them. Poe giving Finn his name is a very powerful humanising moment... Finn also admits that Rey looked at him in a way no one ever did before, and that it made him change... These are all very relevant and powerful elements for both old and young to see played out in a blockbuster of this kind and I greatly welcome it.

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I think it is implied Leia suspects, rather than knows, where he is.

 

It is an interpretation like another one.

 

My interpretation, however, makes events nicely fit in.

 

This is a very interesting comment considering that you have, in the past, denied that Disney is engaging in agenda-driven storytelling. What you've described above is textbook agenda-driven storytelling.

I have been criticized in here for accusing Disney of engaging in this practice, but you have literally just admitted that I was right and that there is somewhat of an agenda driving creative decisions in these movies. You couch it by using terms like "raising gender issues" and "encouraging a discourse" but that's just splitting hairs and semantics.

 

I have no problem with Disney, LFL, creators and film makers having a social “agenda”, as you call it. I prefer calling it a social consciousness. (“Agenda” makes it sound as something shameful and sneaky and I don’t think LFL feels about their social consciousness in that way). I think it’s actually a very good thing that sets a very good example and role models for the young. I don’t know who criticised you for uncovering this very evident social awareness element in the ST. It certainly wasn’t me because I agree with you. The only difference between us is that I see the social message in these films a good thing.

I probably woudnt say that the story is driven by social issues, but I certainly can see that social issues do play a a part in the story, as it should do

 

I'm glad you've come around to agree with me, but this is a contradiction to a point you've made in the past: "Female characters in these roles in the ST are not about pushing agendas, they are about representation." - Kylocity

I prefer to leave the agenda-driven storytelling to other genres, not fantasy space westerns. But hey, I am not the type of person that goes into movies ready to count how many females/minorities/etc there are to make sure it fits my pre-approved quota. As for these specific movies, I have no problem with strong female characters. Maybe someday the writers - especially of E8 - will learn you can have strong females alongside strong male characters, instead of turning all the males into buffoons.

 

You can interpret things at will, that's imagination and that's a gift.

I'm pretty good at interpretating things out of nothing and make it fit too. It just depends to focus on the things you want.

https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet.com/index.php?threads/theory-rey-is-the-good-in-vader.11586/

And it's not because everything seems to be your way that you're right. This proves it.

As long as everyone is happy with his own interpretation, it's good enough for me.

 

It is clear that what I said then doesn’t contradict my previous post. My view then was exactly the same as it is now: Representation is a social issue and both ST films are sensitive to it. As I said in my previous post and in that you refer to above, I don’t think these social issues are “driving the story”. Disney are not implementing the feminist mystique or the communist manifesto... can you imagine? They are a male dominated capitalist organisation and it goes without saying that their main goal is to make money.

That doesn’t prevent, however, creators employed by Disney from peppering their storytelling with social content if they happen to be sensitive to these causes... I personally welcome their efforts. I see that you don’t, which is ok, I suppose.

It would appear that these new films are not for you, as the male characters do not have the stereotypical male strength you crave. (Even though they have a more reflective, self improving kind of strength, but that’s another different subject).

Also, gender quotas in the film industry are more needed behind the camera in the creative, producing, directing sectors and in the decision making board rooms... the use of female actors is simply scratching the surface of a bigger more complex problem.

 

We should apply the Las Vegas theorem for Star Wars movies.

What happens on Earth stays on Earth and not in a GFFA.

I've never felt more on Earth than in TLJ in all the Star Wars movies.

Dialogs, morals were straight of Earth 21st century and it showed.

 

To the mod in this thread:

I was not trying to antagonise Bandini in the post you edited above. I was joking and I think Bandini knew I was joking. He has a pretty neat sense of humour. But hey, if you were offended, apologies @Bandini

 

Nothing personal but I have been ruled 12 a lot while joking. I do respect the rules if they are for everyone.

Case closed.

And if I joked back saracastically ( I sure could have ) , I would have been deleted and I don't like that so ... Rule 12 !

 

I don’t know if I’m right. I just enjoyed both movies and I’m explaining how those things which didn’t work for others worked for me.

And wow, that seems a pretty interesting theory about Rey being the good in Vader. I’ll read it and offer my take on it. Do you still sustain that theory or has your view on it changed after TLJ?

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Fair enough. No offence taken. I had no idea what you meant by rule 12 hahaha.

 

No offense taken too.

You will see it fits as hell and it was dead last wrong but very cool to do.

 

I've been desperately trying to give them the benefit of the doubt but they sure are making it hard. I criticized Lucas for the same thing in the prequels, but at least he wasn't clubbing us over the head with a baseball bat for the whole time....