THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

This same phenomenon is represented online in regards to releasing the Snyder Cut. Online mobs do not represent the general public. If we've learned anything about The Last Jedi is that people who don't like the film love to tell people they don't like the film. Rotten Tomatoes eventually broke down and admitted that the mob gamed their audience rating. Every controlled sample that has asked people who saw the film has shown 80%+ liked it.

Star Wars survived Attack of the Clones. Star Wars survived a horrible Clone Wars film. Star Wars will be fine. I hope you like the next film.

 

how about stop hating the prequels?

 

While it's my least favorite Star Wars film I don't hate it, but I'm not gonna pretend that the prequel films were well received by critics or audiences.

 

Imo you're were hating, saying that the fandom survived AotC-
your choice of wording, can't help but it does provoke a negative emotional response.

 

I liked the Clone Wars movie actually.

 

It had the same humor like Forces of Destiny and cute vibes, with Ahsoka and Anakin rescuing cute little Jabba Junior.

 

It introduced some interesting characters like Assaj, Ahsoka and the Hutt clan, not the best thing ever but definitely watchable.

Maybe I was high though

 

AotC was not well received by audiences or critics. That's just the reality. The prequel trilogy was far more divisive than the ST. There's no question about that and Star Wars bounced back fine.

 

It had better audience scores than the last jedi as far as I know.

 

The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, and Rogue One all have better audience scores than any of the prequel films. They have better CinemaScores as well. Solo is the weakest of the new films when it comes to audience scores seems to be less divisive with fans than the prequel trilogy. That's one of the odd things about the reaction by some to TLJ. It's fine some people don't like it, but some people act like it's the most divisive Star Wars ever.

It can't even be compared to the prequel films and there's not much real data to support conclusion that it's super divisive. Star Wars is a massive IP that's over 40 years old. So it's not surprising that there's strong opinions online about it.

 

As much as I hate to do it, imma defend @DailyPlunge and say that Attack of the Clones was certainly the least well received of the PT. It was a bit of a mess to be honest, and I like the film. But I'm not gonna deny that it was a bit all over the place. Threads that are brought up and then dropped (Sifodyas anyone???).

Having said that, I will disagree with him on the idea that TLJ was well received.
1. Critics (at least some) have admitted they fear Disney and they give films better scores. This reminds me of grade inflation in teaching. Nothing has to be said. But you know not to fail certain kids or to have a failure rate above a certain level.
2. Critics aren't the be all and end all. They don't know Star Wars like we do. I could go to, for example, a Star Trek film and think "wow, good film." Ask a fan of the series and they think its garbage. Am I right or are they right?
3. Ticket sales. The last Jedi saw a large drop in ticket sales compared to TFA. Why? Remove the first 3 days of sales and its domestic box office is $400 million give or take. With a budget of $317million that isn't exactly a stellar performance. Now I know, I know... you can't just remove that first weekend. But it does tell us something about the film and how it was received by fans. They didn't go back again and again. It had little, if any, leg.
4. Speaking of sales... add in the DVD/BluRay/Digital sales and it was way down. Heck I think Solo did better than it if I remember rightly, and that's saying something. Actually Rogue One outsold TLJ when you add up the BluRay/DVD numbers (3.9 million for RO, about 3.8 for TLJ). I would think both are fairly respectable, except TFA sold an enormous 7 million units. Infinity War sold about 4.5 million just for context (Black Panther was also around 4.5 million units)
5. Solo in itself, from what I understand, is said to have suffered from the backlash. But I thought there wasn't any backlash?
6. If Solo was a one time problem, why drop the Anthology films? One miss doesn't mean the idea is poor. Heck Rogue One did very well. But for some reason they called a halt to all things Star Wars in June '18. Why would they do that if all was well in Star Wars land?

Now, having said that, I will again agree with DP (I must be high right now...) I do think the idea that "Star Wars is dead" is BS. As a high school teacher I do see a LOT of teenagers, and I see what they are excited about. Sure, not many are excited about IX. Heck, even my geeks aren't excited about it. BUT there is some buzz about The Mandalorian. I am sure there will be buzz about the new Obi Wan series. A lot of these kids like the Prequel Trilogy as they aren't an old fart like me and didn't judge it against the OT.

So no, Star Wars isn't dead. There is a lot to be happy about after what we saw this weekend. But, and I think this is important, LFL can't take the fans for granted. They need to up their game. Which they seem to have done with the new series and the fact they brought the Clone Wars back for a final season. Sorry for getting off topic a bit, but I think this is all tied together.

 

I don't think there's any nefarious plot by critics or audience scores. Disney's live action remakes haven't received good reviews. There's plenty of movies I love that audiences or critics didn't like or vice versa. Just because most people liked The Last Jedi doesn't mean people who disliked it are somehow invalidated.

Star Wars is going to make a lot of content and it's impossible to make everyone happy. Hopefully the people who hated TLJ find something to like in the next film or The Mandalorian.

 

That's the way I feel. I enjoy the Thrawn books, and I am looking forward to the shows. I'm moderately excited about IX.

 

I really liked the last Thrawn book. I can't wait to see what's going on with the Chiss. The most exciting Star Wars stories right now are exploring new things. I'm looking forward to moving past the Skywalkers.

 

I know I'm about to get off topic, but I am truly excited for The Mandalorian and the other shows they are working on for Disney+. It seems to me the full potential of TV has finally been realized, thanks to Game of Thrones and the fact that you can tell in-depth stories over long periods, and effects are able to be done on a budget and still look amazing.

I would love to see some stuff on the Jedi/Sith prior to the era we see in the PT, I would love to see the Chiss, the underworld. So much potential for some cool stories.

 

The Mandalorian footage I have seen so far has helped me recover from the TLJ let down. The one time I rewatched TLJ with the family when I bought it on Bluray the problems became even more glaring to me and it nearly killed my interest in Star Wars entirely. The GoT guys, which totally bombed season 7 and 8, along with RJ being in the drivers seat SW's future gave me absolutely no hope. If Favreau can pull off 2 solid seasons on the Mandalorian I am hoping he gets to have more of an influence in the cinematic side of SW's future.

 

So just like Return of The Jedi, then! I love continuity!!

 

I would love to see these controlled sample results you speak of. I have not met a true Star Wars fan in person that supports TLJ. Although AOTC is one of the least favorite films for many, it's still on my list of Star Wars films to watch. I will not watch TLJ and that's a shame.

 

AOTC isn't the best SW it's true but it felt Star Wars and it has the best music of all the saga.

Kenobi / Grievous / Kamino were great and there were those amazing shots of the clones boarding the destroyers.

 

Were it not for a typo in Episode II, casual fans would not have heard about Master Vos, where he was, or what he was doing.... during ROTS.