The Basic Plot of The Rise of Skywalker, Updated and Expanded: Act I (Via JediPaxis)

And yet they haven't really posted anything from the VD that really contradicts what he has leaked...
Frustrating.

 

I think it's up to the individual, really.

My best friend HATES the Holdo Maneuver - he calls it a major plot hole, and terrible for not being even talked about before the action.

I on the other hand LOVE the Holdo Maneuver (even if I think Ahkbar should have been the one to do it). It created one of the most jaw-dropping, beautiful moments in all of Star Wars at an incredibly tense moment. I don't care if it was never talked about. I was curious about it afterwards, but it wasn't a deal breaker to me.

The question should be, does an explanation HURT the story? If not, then there's no harm in putting it in. If so, let the audience's imagination do the work.

WOOT! I found the lack of Finn in the leaks disturbing. Then again, I might just be in denial about the leaks.

@Get In Gear it seems to be an authenticity related power move then. Verify the access, then debunk the "liar," without truly spoiling the movie for fans. If the VD leaker is correct, this is the ultimate win for everyone.

 

They've said for "movies integrity" so who knows anymore. So whatever they've seen contradicts JP/MSW.

 

Or they may just be a really picky oddball.
IE, they may be the kind of people who, for example, see a reference to Rey/Kylo "dyad" in the VD to be a massive contradiction and reason to call JP a "massive liar".
Wheras someone of more rational mind may just say, hey, well he leaked that concept first originally anyway, and maybe it's just one of those many things that turn up in the VDs that don't make the final cut of the movie but are deemed worthy of fleshing out the detail in the book.
Who knows.
But I guess we'll see soon enough anyway...

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No massive lies here, for example...

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Ah, I get it now - JP's "BASIC" plot is confirmed by stuff in the VD, but the stuff he was missing makes him a f**king liar...

lol

 

Doesn't actually say how much of JP is confirmed.
It just says some of the VD confirms JP and there was stuff he was missing.
Which is subtly different.

 

He did say in the leaks that he could be wrong or in his words "change do to reshoots/editing [his leaks did have A LOT of crossouts]". During reshoots however, you're just adding shots here and there to scenes already shot. You're not drastically changing the movie during reshoots. According to JJ, they had less reshoots on this then they did TFA. So there couldn't have been that much change from principle photography to reshoots. An editing is just part of the movie magic. Scenes are inevitably going to be taken out. Now the question is how much.

 

It's a dictionary, dictionaries don't provide plot points. I have both TFA & TLJ books and there are no major plot points considerd spoilery in them. Heck in the TFA one it doesn't even have Kylo's heritage. In the TLJ there is a big deal about Luke's compass and Poe's ring and him waiting for a partner. Am not sure what your expecting to find apart from characters, props and costumes used in the film.

 

Well, in the context of this thread, it confirms the planet Exogol.
Confirms Palpatine really died and that Sith loyalists have been using "technology and the occult" in a bid to resurrect "unnatural embodiments of the Dark Side".
Confirms Palpatine engineered the hidden fleet and troops in the unknown regions "decades ago".
Confirms the necklace given to Rey by the Aki-Aki on Pasaana.
Confirms the monkey-handed dude who restores Kylo's mask is a Sith Alchemist.

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I do agree there. His use of the terms "reshoots and editing" was utter BS.
So, yeah, he's probably a liar in that sense. IE: in his account of the circumstances under which he chose to revise his information.

 

Exegol planet

Information on Kylo's mask - prop

Palpatine Character - background information

Necklace - prop

Aki Aki - Character information & background

Passana - Planet

Non of which are plot points. I have the books. I have RoS book ordered. I love these books. I had the TPM one as a kid, I remember learning the names of all the Jedi council. I remember reading about Yaddle, also looking at Padame's hair changes and costumes. Lol they are not the go too books that tell the story. There handbooks that add extra added details. There's nothing wrong with that. Am not saying the details are wrong just they don't hold the plot together.

 

Which is why I specified within the context of this thread.

Because if there really is a planet called Exogol, then the plot points that JP says happen there are more likely to be legit. Because he gave us the name first, and the name turned out to be real.

If the necklace is real, then it's relevance in the plot might be exactly as JP stated. Because he confirmed Rey gets it from the Aki-Aki first.

And so on.
I'm not saying the books are in and of themselves full of spoilers. I'm saying the info they do contain can be cross-referenced with the JP stuff to back it up. Or not.

If I tell you Kylo has a scene where he battles some dude, and loses an arm in the process, you'd be forgiven for ignoring the claim.

But if I tell you Kylo has a scene where he battles the Pink Bunkadoo, and loses an arm in the process... then months later the visual dictionary drops and there actually is a character called the Pink Bunkadoo who is described as being "incredibly skilled with his axe, able to remove limbs with one swing" - you'd suddenly have a lot more invested in the legitimacy of my claims, yes?

 

With this type of book, let's say on Finn's page there is the dark sabre and uses it (This is just an example, it's not real). Then to me that's a spoiler. I think this what your saying anyway with the Bunkadoo lol.

I don't think JP is a liar. I do think things are missing. I also think some of the really deep information in this book will not be in the film. But because JP doesn't know that information does it mean he lied either or that information will be relevant to the plot.

I don't think we are getting a vastly different film than what we already know. We don't know the emotion and tone of the film - I get that, but am not sure that will be in the VD.

It's a huge jump for that twitter account to say that JP lied and we are getting a different film. Especially using this the VD as the source.

 

Why is that person going after JediPaxis? If the leaks are wrong he's got bad information. The vitriol some people are exhibiting is exhausting. It's just a movie and it's gonna be out in five days. It should be noted he's not the only one who has heard this is the basic plot. Jason Ward said similar things and ViewerAnon has also confirmed the leaks are mostly right.

And if they're all wrong, it'll be a fun to go back and see what went wrong, but the hate being lobbed around about some movie leaks is insane.

What changed?

It's almost like people are yelling at him for not providing a script. It's puzzling.

 

But now I want it, and I blame you for this!

 

The most interesting part of the VD leaks is where it states Sith loyalists have combined technology and the force to create unnatural embodiments of the dark side. This could almost certainly explain how Palpatine is still around despite being dead. His devotees could have performed a ritual to give him form once more.

It would also help explain why he's so weak, and requires a machine to function.

 

If these Visual Dictionary bits are accurate, the people who want an explanation for Palpatine's return have gotten exactly that, although I still don't believe any of the details regarding that explanation will be in the film itself because it isn't necessary to include them.

 

There's the answer right there. Sith Loyalists (JJ Abrams!) brought Palpatine back from the dead through occult/technology. Everything can be explained away with one line from Lucas..."The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural". For those clinging to the Chosen One prophecy, "A prophecy that mis-read could have been". It's all there.

It's going to be pretty ironic that Palpatines own grandaughter will be the one to end him completely. A Skywalker and a Palpatine working for the LIGHT SIDE is a powerful combo!

 

Which is where JP got his info from. All he has put out there are from trailers in which someone told him about then filled in gaps, took away stuff, said stuff may be wrong.

It's quite obvious how he got the info. It wasn't from anyone seeing the movie.

 

I haven't heard the word Exogol uttered or seen it written out in any trailers yet...
I presume that was just a lucky guess on his part.