SPECULATION The Official Rey's Parents in Ep. IX Thread

The entire Skywalker story line wrapped up perfectly at the end of ROTJ.

The ST has just tried to extend it with a Solo going all angsty with his Uncle and Dad. I don't see any connection to the other 6 films right now and they need to do some impressive story telling to make that work as an extension of the original trilogy.

Then again I am on the side of seeing the ST as a remake of the Original trilogy, trying to be in the same timeline, being driven by the modern obsession of remaking 80's movies/IP's to make some cash.

 

I agree with this, but...

I disagree with this. There are connections. First of all the legacy of Darth Vader in form of Kylo Ren. Then the fall and destruction of Luke's Jedi temple is a big connection to ROTS. The concept of Rey is a callback to Anakin (even though it's not that well made). There are a lot of parallels to previous movies too.

 

The fact that Luke says Darth Sidious.

 

Not convinced about Vader and Kylo having the same redemption arc... I personally think those two character trajectories were designed very differently. Vader's redemption was a plot device which provides Luke with a pacifist Jedi victory over the dark side. Kylo's redemption arc is engrained in the character since the moment he was introduced in TFA. "The First Order rose from the Dark side, you didn't" Lor Sen Teka says a couple of minutes into the movie. I don't know if his redemption arc will be fulfilled but to me it would feel natural. The last two movies have strongly hinted at this possibility.

I disagree that it has to be death for Kylo after redemption. Vader died to save his son. He was just an element in Luke's story. But Kylo is very much the story of the ST. Bringing him back to Leia has been established as important. I have no idea in what shape or form Kylo will finally learn his lesson or how he will make amends for what he's done, but death is not the only solution and I would not corner myself into assuming it will happen that way... I don’t mind if Kylo is killed, even unredeemed. If it’s a good story, so be it. But there are multiple possibilities of how this could be played out and I’m really looking forward to see how JJ and Terio tackle it.

 

It also feels natural to me that Kylo would be redeemed. Yes, he made atrocious decisions and acts, like giving the order to kill all the civilians in TFA, killing Lor Sen Teka in cold blood, his own father and who knows who and what else. Not only once with a single exception, that I can tell, has he acted out of compassion alone. And that exception was when he decided to spare his own mother. All the other acts involving Rey I consider more he using Rey to reach his own goals than to actually act out of compassion, or even love. So, I'd like for him to be redeemed but I feel he has still a long road to go.

Kylo did ask Rey for her to join him. But, we have no firm indication or evidence that he intended to partner with her, and actually all indicates that what he probably wanted was to keep using her or at least not have to fight her since he knows how powerful she is.

So, how and most importantly why will Ben come to the light and be redeemed, if that's the path IX will take? Personaly, I was betting that he and Rey were siblings or at least cousins, but unless there's some big twist in IX, that's not probable anymore. So, without a family tie, they could fall in love, which is not improbable taking into account the events of VIII, or perhaps someone else close to Kylo will help him. Leia is a strong candidate, in what she may do or what may happen to her. Ben was not the same after killing his own father and discovering his act served nothing but to help Snoke's goals and intentions, so perhaps he will finally snap out of it after something happens to his mother and finally realizes that he is alone in the world now, and nobody loves him.


It's a mystery what will happen with the legacy of the Skywalkers in this final chapter. The Skywalkers started in mystery, could they end in mystery as well? We had Anakin's full arc, from little boy in Tatooine to redeemed Dark Lord of the Sith for love for his son and daughter ("tell your sister, you were right" - were his last thoughts). Now, his only grandson (apparently) - Ben - wants to follow in his footsteps. But then, does he not know that Vader saved his son and was redeemed by that act? Rey knows the story, we know from the events of VIII that she does, so perhaps she will tell him that his Grandfather turned and recognized that Luke was right. Or perhaps Leia will be the one to tell him. Perhaps Kylo does not know, or refuses to believe the real story, and wants to believe the one Snoke told him. With Snoke out of the equation now, perhaps he will listen to what his uncle and mother, or Rey, have to tell him about this past and legacy and he will finally accept that the Dark side leads no where.

However, we have this:

Kylo / Ben: "It's time to let old things die. Snoke, Skywalker, the Sith, the Jedi, the Rebels; let it all die. Rey...I want you to join me. We can rule together and bring a new order to the galaxy!". <-- Ben seems to be thinking about creating something new. Not really dark side and not light either.

So my take is that perhaps Ben Skywalker will be expelled from the FO. Hux is the one in command of the FO Navy and all leads to believe he will try to find a way to kick him out. Ben will probably end up helping the Rebels destroy the FO, in part for revenge of Hux, but also to continue his persuit to end it all. Ben will probably die in the process and most of the rebels would perish as well, and a void could be left out of the ashes. Rey and friends would probably be spared to continue their adventures. As for the Skywalkers, they would have fulfilled their destiny and with that the Galaxy had finally achieved balance in this cycle.

 

Nice take. Hux will and should betray Kylo by the help of the FO Navy and/or the KOR. Then Hux is in command of the whole FO. I also think Ben will help the Resistance, but he will never be a part of this group. He's just helping because of Rey and his own goal of ending everything. And yes, he might die (and even want to die) during all of this.

 

Benson arc resembles that of Zuko from the Last Airbender.

Book 1 - Zuko is the enemy hunting down. the avitar
TFA - Ben is the enemy hunting down the master Jedi

Book 2 - Zuko questions everything and even momentarily is someone that we root for until he betrays Sang
TLJ - Ben starts question everything and we even begin to root for him until he betrays Rey at the end

Book 3 - Zuko recieved what he wanted his place at his fathers side. bit he ultimately realized he was wrong and joins sang to help him defeat the firelord

EPIX could something like that as well... Ben has achieved his desire ultimate control but its all its cracked up to be maybe something is missing. that connection to his family. perhaps he seeks connection in Rey and i either discovers her to be a relative of some kind or falls in love and decided he needs her help to defeat the darkness... ie the the le could be Shadows of the Darkside

 

Yeah, I don’t know. It would be extremely hard for me to imagine Hux as any sort of legitimate threat at this point. It would also be tremendously strange for me if Kylo left him in a position of power that could allow for a significant betrayal.

I’d expect a third party player in all this. If the Kylo character is going to continue on as a conflicted personality, then the story needs an antagonist who’s both resolute and a credible adversary. That’s just not Hux, in my mind. I don’t have a terrific track record in the predictions department though. So whatever that’s worth.

 

That ending shot of Hux was a big tease for him being the main antagonist in IX. At least for me.

 

We might even get three FO factions to this:
- a group of loyalists/ fundamentalists/ Empire wannabe's, led by Hux (who'll actively try to undermine Kylo Ren)
- a group of "away with the old"/ extremists, led by Kylo Ren (who, right now, is the Supreme Leader)
- a third group who wants to desert, perhaps inspired by Finn

 

Isn't Hux also part of the "away with the old" group?

I still don't get why they didn't use that deleted Phasma scene. This would have set up this third group nicely.

 

lot of people seem to have missed this. : o p

no, Hux is entirely his own program. first thing he'll do is get rid of ex-Imperials of questionable allegiance (and he may even do this with Supreme Ren's blessing). then he'll strike a blow for the younger generation of the FO against Ren.

and yeah, the stormtroopers will subsequently rebel; they're not the children of Imperials and weren't born into this regime.

it would be so cool to see something like this play out.

 

This will end with Rey on the dark side. Not sure about Kylo.

 

That is not a continuation of the story seen in the OT. It is a new story with some of the Original characters involved. There are no treads that connect. I know people think Luke's struggle with the dark side is a reason to see connection, but that was resolved in ROTJ. They have added new struggles.

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I am borderline insulted(not really, but disagree as much as one can in a polite way) with this comparison. Zuko is one of the best character arcs and stories in modern media. Ben Solo has shown little of that sort of character growth and I don't think with one third of the story left could you get even close to the greatness of the story telling seen with Zuko if he did change his path.

 

Vader's legacy is the reason why Ben is evil. If that's not a connection with the previous movie, then I'm not sure what would be.

I agree, but you have to keep in mind that Zuko had much more time to develop and grow as a character. A character of a TV series will always have an advantage over a movie character.

 

indeed. i don't see how you can compare them.. but i think it's reasonable to say there are similarities...



tall, moody, always wears black, great driver/pilot & great hair.

you are all talking about Danny Zuco right?

 

this post wins the internet today. XD

 

no i totally agree. I said it resembled it. Zuko's was executed much better, but this was the idea they were going with in the Last jedi i think. It just was poorly done.

Side Note I didn't realize that my post auto corrected to Sang from Aang. My deepest apologies for this sleight.