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There's been an Awakening....

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Lock_S_Foils, Dec 10, 2020.

  1. Rogues1138

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    TFA my favorite sequel film THANKS :D
     
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    I actually wished they'd released the trailer music; it's a beautiful arrangement, although as a Skywalker/Solo fan it does make me feel kind of sad.(blue)
     
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    This poses a good question. I too always thought it was the discovery of Rey- or at least the beginning of her journey that sparked the awakening. But at what moment did the awakening actually happen/start?
     
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    Yes, interesting that. Rey didn't discover she had the Force until Kylo mind probed her....yet Snoke referred to the Awakening earlier in the film.
     
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    I don't think it's really necessary to pinpoint Rey realizing that she can command the force as "the awakening". It's meant to be far more vague than that. It's not like Snoke and Kylo Ren have been notified of someone suspiciously trying to log on to the force account "Is this you? If so you don't need to do anything......."
     
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    If I have to rely on what has been once explained (*) in "Plagueis" novel that was sort of prequel/intro to TPM, the awakening is born the moment Kylo was manipulated by Snoke inside the womb, I mean, the moment when the Dark Side decides to inhabit and corrupt a formerly "pure" spirit.
    In reaction to that "-1", the Force generates a "+1".
    That was the case when Plagueis manipulated the midichlorians to create life : the Force reacted in opposition and created Anakin.


    (*) I know nowadays these books are not considered canon anymore. That's why my answer starts with "IF I have to rely..." :)
     
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    I see what you're getting at, but that wouldn't make sense in the context of Snoke's question to Kylo that "There has been an awakening. Have you felt it?"
     
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    @Lazarus Dei : you're right. The awakening is then later than I suspected.
     
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    At the time, I just took it to mean a combination of things, Finn defecting from the FO, making his escape with Poe, and then Rey joining with Finn and helping him and BB-8 leave Jakku. Things that neither had done before.
     
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    yeah, it's not until at LEAST 19:30 :D
     
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    I remember Abrams saying in an interview that the title referred to the Force Awakening in both hero (Rey) and villain (Kylo).
    He never mentioned Finn. I am convinced Finn being FS was a last minute creative addition in the final film; if Finn had been meant to be FS from the beginning then Kylo would have sensed it on Jakku - he sensed Finn's reluctance to kill and chose to let him live because he saw an affinity between Finn's behaviour, and his own constant 'pull to the light'...he thought Finn would 'see sense' and come around, just as he was trying - and ultimately failing - to do.
     
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    It's still possible that he did.
     
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    Maybe. But John Boyega stated several times that he wanted Force sensitive Finn, and both he and Daist Ridley are on very good terms with Abrams - Ridley said she 'cried with joy' when she heard he was directing TROS - so I think his ' Force sensitivity' was a last minute addition by Abrams because Boyega wanted it. He also spared the Poe character in TFA because Oscar Isaac asked him to.
     
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    It doesn't actually feature in the plot so it really makes no difference who wanted it and when it was conceived.
     
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    Actually, one of the many disappointments TROS had for me was finding that Finn had 'turned his back' on the FO because of the Force...it was more powerful when it was simply because of his own sense of compassion. Because he was basically decent.
     
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    He's a decent person who has faith in the force and has found a place with others who are all at least as decent as he is. We're heading into perverse territory when the positive influence of the energy field which surrounds and governs everything in the galaxy cannot be acknowledged or used to frame the character's own insight into what's at stake and where the line needed to be drawn. He's acknowledging something bigger than himself rather than just saying "I did it because I'm a good person". Not really inspiring is it?
     
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    I bumped up against that too when I first watched it.

    But the way the scene is structured, it’s apparent that what ‘awakens’ Finn is the death of his comrade. Whether that empathetic moment was enhanced by the Force or not, the emotional reaction is still his. That sense of compassion is still his own, the Force just helped him rediscover that part of his nature that had been conditioned out of him. The Force didn’t manufacture anything about him that wasn’t already there, it merely allowed it to come to the surface - to break the spell (so to speak).

    I don't feel that takes away any of the premeditated choices the character knowingly makes after that point.
     
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    Just because Finn had a sense of what was wrong and that he could choose not to go along with it, it didn't mean that he necessarily would have made that choice.
     
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    Actually ...I thought it was.
     
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    To be fair though, the exchange between Finn and Jannah in TROS really does give the impression that the Force was doing most of the heavy lifting for her gang at least.
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    JANNAH: All of us here were stormtroopers. We mutinied at the battle of Ansett Island. They told us to fire on civilians. We wouldn't do it. We laid our weapons down.
    FINN: All of you?
    JANNAH: The whole company. I don't even know how it happened. It wasn't a decision, really, it was like...
    FINN: An instinct. Feeling.
    JANNAH: A feeling.
    FINN: The Force.
     
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