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SPOILER A cyborg seen, I have not

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Kyle, Nov 3, 2014.

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    Appreciate the lengthy description of what you saw Kyle but the most important part (TO ME ANYWAY) seemed to have been lost in translation.

    So can you clarify something for me:

    WERE YOU LOOKING AT A PICTURE OF A PHOTO/PRODUCTION STILL?

    OR A PICTURE OF PRODUCTION ART/POTENTIALLY MEANINGLESS/CAN CHANGE OR NOT EVER BE USED?

    OR WAS IT TOO BLURRY AND Y'ALL HAD ONE TOO MANY PINTS AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AWKWARD TO ASK?

    Thanks. Sorry for screaming in multi-colors.
     
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    The blue was hard to read, changed it to Aqua. ;)
     
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    What he said. Please and thank you.
     
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    Hi everyone, stopped lurking....yadda yadda.

    I find it hard to believe that Luke would intentionally kill Han without a very good reason, regardless of whether drivers character is of a 'dark' and/or 'evil' nature. Unless Luke has gone stir-fry crazy there would be too much at stake - particularly if Han and Leia are still a couple. What might that do to Leia? Loosing both her husband and son at her brothers hand would probably give Luke an even bigger problem. I don't really see Han Solo as naive or stupid either, so even if adam's character is his son, I doubt he would be stupid enough to sacrifice himself with the intention of letting another potential Darth Vader live.

    EDIT: Also if we have learned anything about the Force and particularly those with a strong connection to it, the user can sense a close friend way before they come into a few meters of said person.
     
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    Ahhh yes but I am assuming the rumors of Luke having been captured and held for 10 years by some darkside agent are true. So Luke having been tortured and manipulated by a darkside user is not quite all there. He has just been released by Daisy/gotten free and is focused on the source of his torment. Han isn't yet part of his consciousness because he isn't completely aware. I'm saying Driver fires his blaster and Luke reacts by deflecting the shot accidentally hitting Han. Of course I am conjecturing just like everyone else so who knows. I am just trying to fit as many of the rumors together as a coherent story as well as I can.
     
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    I agree with you there if that is the case.

    Still find it hard to believe that Luke Skywalker would be in some form of captivity twenty-five years after ROTJ. Surely he would be pretty hard to lock up? I don't deny that it is possible but it just seems like a bit of a long shot to me. A death of someone close may have the ability to knock him especially if he felt an overwhelming sense of failure to protect that person. On the blaster reflection point; would he commit such a basic error as to reflect a bolt directly into Han's path? I'm not so sure, even in a roughed up state. If it is completely evil Luke then I could see it happening sure, anything less and I'm not convinced.

    Sorry dude, don't want to give off the impression I'm battling your points I just cant see him killing Han unless he basically isn't Luke anymore.
     
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    I'd say in this case he isn't Luke anymore, not to say he can't be again. He is a shell of what he was, his mind has been clouded and he has done little to advance or maintain his skills. When Driver shoots he reacts, again not FULLY aware of himself or his surroundings, leading to Han being hit. The Han being hit is the one part I am least confident in as happening, though I suspect Han does die in this movie. As for HOW he was captured, I postulated he was sent on a mission by Leia and the Alliance 10 years previously because of some dark activities/him sensing the Darkside was becoming powerful. On this mission he was overpowered and captured.
     
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    Really good point. If Luke figured out a sith threat was still out there and his nephew was part of it he may have went in to hiding rather than having to fight and possibly kill another family member.... very interesting. ..
     
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    At 3:06 EST on 3 November, 2014, the technocolour rant was officially created and trademarked... good form... well done!

    First of all, the rumor has been augmented down to "more like the past 10 years". And if my theory (or close to it) is true, he was only captive part of that time... he was presumed dead on capture, escaped, and the whole Warlord thing is to conceal his true identity while he seeks justice... if he is the Warlord, and if the Warlord is commander of the chromies... it would have taken time to get all that set up (unless he walked into a group and took them over... or took over the group that captured him)

    And while I agree that he would be pretty hard to lock up, Protocol 66 showed that large number of Jedi can be mowed down with sufficient numbers. The scenes play out rather clearly... not talking about the ones shot in the back, talking about the ones who head on faced a group, deflected multiple shots and took down numerous enemies, and fell from the shear numbers... "most powerful freakin Jedi in the galaxy" does not equate to "unbeatable"
     
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    Well some Jedi got away from it i.e. Kanan Jarrus, maybe Luke's "chromies" are actually other Jedi who got away from Order 66 or have been trained since then.
     
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    I'm liking it... and he is rebuilding the order off something that was already established... they could have made the decision to stay out of the political side of things (i.e. not join "The Rebellion") but still have been fighting from another (not in the movie) angle... the selection of Yavin IV seems to tie in to Luke's fondness for that being where he joined the Rebellion and struck back, but it was a Massassii temple, and (following their withdrawal) the "pirates" could have come in and taken it, making use of the supplies that were left there...
     
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    Right, linking back to the old EU where Luke trained Jedi in the Yavin IV temple. Tid my friend, we just figured it out.
    Bartender! Give this man a Reactor Core!
     
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    Anything that says luke is evil is false
     
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    This is legit.
     
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    Has anyone thought about the possibility that Luke is in prison but his whereabouts is known? Possibly a political prisoner or even falsely accused of a crime?

    He could even be imprisoned by the former Alliance.

    This is where the Leia story comes in. She has been working to free Luke legally. Eventually they have to bust him out to save the galaxy.
     
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    how do you know it's legit?
     
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    Have you been reading what has been going on? We think he has gone commando, not evil...

    Lots of people... not sure about him being imprisoned by the Alliance, though... would be kinda hard for them to justify that, or do it without people knowing it... not knowing where he is, but knowing he is there... but one would say that if Luke were imprisoned, heaven and earth would be moved to retrieve him

    It would, however, be classic:

    Luke: Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?
    Boyega: What? Oh, the uniform... I'm Skippy Calrisian, I'm here to rescue you
    Daisy: I'm Kira Solo, I'm here to rescue you
    Charlie Brown: All I got was a rock....
     
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    I kind of think in this modern day our idea of a hero and a bad guy is quite complex.

    Just an example. Look at Julian Assange or even Edward Snowden.

    Julian Assange is stuck in exile for leaking the truth. For political reasons and peace keeping his own country wont have him back and the USA wants him in jail.

    We all know where Edward Snowden is, but he is stuck in political and legal limbo.

    Some people consider both these people hero's but to others they are the enemy. A very grey area.

    Nelson Mandela was once imprisoned and considered a terrorist etc.

    I am wondering how much real life events like this could influence the script.
     
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    Funny you should say it that way, because the movie is supposedly an examination of good/bad and right/wrong and the potential for blurred lines there of. In other words actions of the good guy(s) could be questioned as anything but good.
     
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