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OFFICIAL NEWS A Lasting Record Of Solo's Financial Performance.

Discussion in 'Solo' started by Pomojema, May 22, 2018.

  1. Mike

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    Just because General Audiences don't know who Kennedy is, doesn't mean Kennedy is safe from being fired. That was my overall point.

    I do agree with you, that just because Kennedy gets fired, that doesn't automatically equal better movies, or a return of the General Audience. However, I don't think it's beyond reason, after all the production problems, fan issues, declining merchandise sales etc etc to have a discussion about Kennedy's ability to run LFL. Which is why I brought up Ross. Ross's firing seemed to have a lot to do with his inability to actually run Disney Studio's as opposed to the movies that were released under his tenure (which he did have some bombs as well).

    Irregardless of Kennedy's household name, or lack there of, if Disney feels a change is needed, they will make the change.

    Edit: and just to add, if Disney does decide to make a change, we can only hope for things to get better, at least those of us that don't like the direction of the movies thus far. I think most rational people would understand that time will tell if a change of leadership worked, and that just because a changed happened, it doesn't mean it's automatically better. But on the other hand, just because we don't know if a change would make things better, doesn't mean that the status quo is acceptable...
     
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    The status quo is perfectly acceptable to me. The only way I see Kennedy in trouble is if she made an ultimatum to hire Lord/Miller. We don't know if those decisions are 100% on her or if Iger has a hand in that stuff. So far Lucasfilm has produced 3 massive hits and a film that's gonna lose $50M. None of the films so far have been disasters. Kennedy has been around for decades so I don't think go to this position pissing people off.

    Lucasfilm is in good hands.
     
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    Tom Kane, voice of Yoda in the Clone Wars, let it slip that there are 9 Star Wars films in various stages of production (no Yoda). I'm sure three of those films includes Johnson's trilogy. Two may be Kenobi and Boba Fett. Given the odds (then again, never tell me the odds), it seems kind of hard to believe that one of those wouldn't be an anthological film including the principle players of Solo.

    If Disney keeps with this idea, it seems they may still be toying around with the universe they've built around all this. It would be really sad to throw it away or at least not tie it into Boba Fett. Since I've more or less reconciled that Disney's weak, late marketing campaign shot this movie in the foot for general audiences, I think it still would have legs for future projects with the right nurturing.

    I see this film doing very, very well when it hits the Netflix circuit. It absolutely should hit syndication as soon as they can post-bluray release, after they've blue milked it long enough to have some home audience receipts to show for it. They shouldn't wait too long though. It would behoove them to build upon its accessibility and watchability, for both general audiences and superfans, as soon as they can, as most seem to have walked away from this film satisfied. Those that didn't pile into the theatres out of disinterest/protest/lack of knowledge will stream it out of curiosity, and I see it growing a bigger audience and longer legs from that.

    I have no doubt in my mind that if Disney plays their cards right, they can make an underdog home audience success out of it. I've seen several people, including myself, that would own and re-watch the Solo bluray over The Last Jedi, as it's a much more rewatchable film. Plus, a Star Wars property is different than, say, Blade Runner 2049 (an INCREDIBLE film that should have had a much higher return) or a stand-alone epic, as it's part of a larger series that is constantly evolving and growing. But that does involve throwing money at it and believing in it, and believing in future anthology films that tie into its lore.

    Hopefully Disney has learned some lessons and wont make the same mistakes twice. Either way, I'm hyped to see what's to come, as I absolutely believe in this film and its potential and adaptability for future anthological projects.
     
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    Lucasfilm not Disney !
     
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    In terms of marketing, doesn't Disney win out in this case?
     
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    Solo domestic box office
    Weekend 4: $10,001,056 (this is $1M higher than the estimate Disney gave yesterday morning; Solo did $15.7M last weekend so this is a good drop probably due to Father's day)

    Comps:
    TFA: $42,353,785 (S = TFA -76.39%)
    RO: $22,063,570 (S = RO -54.67%)
    TLJ: $23,728,944 (S = TLJ -57.85%)
     
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    [​IMG]

    Solo currently -59.33% from Rogue One as of yesterday.

    $532,177,324 (RO total gross) - 55% = $239,479,796
    $532,177,324 (RO total gross) - 56% = $234,158,023
    $532,177,324 (RO total gross) - 57% = $228,836,249
    $532,177,324 (RO total gross) - 58% = $223,514,476
    $532,177,324 (RO total gross) - 59.33% = $216,436,517
    $532,177,324 (RO total gross) - 60% = $212,870,930
    $532,177,324 (RO total gross) - 61% = $207,549,156
    $532,177,324 (RO total gross) - 62% = $202,227,383
    $532,177,324 (RO total gross) - 63% = $196,905,610
    $532,177,324 (RO total gross) - 64% = $191,583,836 (-64% is already impossible because Solo's total gross is already above it)
     
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    For comparisons, the December holiday boosts for the previous 3 SW movies are over and for Solo, people have been graduating and for the rest schools are increasingly out for the summer.

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    (If Solo makes a hair under $211M domestic or more, it will hit 90% in 24 days or more)
     
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    After a crappy Monday number a decent recovery on Wednesday and Thursday. $6.85M for the week.

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    Week 6 complete.

    Week 6 Solo = TLJ -44.76%; RO -50.06%; TFA -75.15%

    Current dom. gross: $209,860,097 (RO -60.57%)
    Current domestic multiplier: 2.49
    Days to 90% of current dom. gross: 23
    Current foreign gross: $161,715,168 (RO -69.13%)
    Current worldwide gross: $371,575,265 (RO -64.81%)

    It could pass 24 days for 90% of its gross on Sunday or Monday.

    For the second time, Solo was above Rogue One this past Wednesday. Both times on holidays: Memorial Day (S = RO +5.68%) and Independence Day (S = RO +13.45%). For the first time, it was also above Star Wars: The Last Jedi (S = TLJ +25.20%) also on Independence Day.

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    ......aaaaand in related news, the mighty Marvel movie Ant-Man and the Wasp opens at $80M this weekend, and is not declared a "flop"
     
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    Remember that Solo's budget was 250-300 million. Cinemas keep half the box office. So in order to break even (to get back its budget) it needed to make 550-600 million.

    It did 370.

    However, Ant-Man and the Wasp budget was probably around 150-170 million (Marvel's standalone standars), so it will need Solo's box office to break even.

    But, while Solo did underperform in the States, it definetly flop overseas, doing just 171 million.
    The first Ant-Man movie did 370 million overseas, so there's no way, Ant-Man and the Wasp will do less than that with Infinity War's boost.

    It's true that Marvel gets a free pass (with critics and among the press) sometimes and that coming from IW boost it's not that good, but it's not a flop.
     
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    Read your reply. Disagree though. Still think there is a bias and double standard.....i.e. the mighty "Marvel movie" standard.....
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    Nobody...NOBODY....talks total budget nor projections vs BO etc etc etc, when talking about opening weekend box office.

    Opening weekend BO take is always talked about strictly on the totals.

    Ant-Man and the Wasp is projecting $80M and is NOT being talked as flopping. Double standard.....IMO....
     
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    Yeah, there's a double standard as I said.

    What I am saying is that it's objectively not a flop, but instead of looking for the word "flop" what we should be looking for is the word "disappoint". Because it is.

    Are there any "Ant-Man and the Wasp disappoint with 80 million opening" titles? No?

    Instead I've even seen a "Ant-Man and the Wasp continue with Marvel's box office dominance".

    Yeah, double standard indeed.
     
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    No because it is of the almighty Marvel franchise which should never be criticized
     
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    when four bland superhero "films" make more money than solo, a character whose far more iconic than jyn erso yet she runs circles around him than TLJ objectively ruined the box office.

    expect episode 9 to be surpassed financially by jumanji and avengers 4.
     
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    "....a character whose far more iconic than jyn erso yet she runs circles around him than TLJ objectively ruined the box office."

    I have no idea what you are saying here, at all. It is a run-on sentence, you used "who's" wrong and "than" wrong.

    So it all comes down to the almighty box office, eh?

    So, so tired of all this.

    Bring it again.
     
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    Disney lost the narrative battle with this film last Summer. People were meh about it to start with and when the film had production issues it just made things worse. It's also ended up keeping the film from being profitable. If the production would have smoother it would have helped marketing the film as well. Solo isn't an amazing film, but it was good enough to make more cash had the production issues/marketing not gotten in the way.
     
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    This isn't a "Marvel gets a pass" issue. It's a math issue.

    Flopping as a movie is relative to how much it cost to get into theaters. Some people wildly misuse this term for "not meeting expectations" but that isn't what it means.

    BvS didn't crack a 900 million and cost 300 million to make. (usually you can add 1/3 or 1/4 to cover for marketing) and BVS was everywhere so probably closer to the 400m total. Then double that because theater shares and points to other producers and actors...so the studio needs to double on these big budget monstrosities to essentially hit the black. It's largely considered a wash because of how much they put into it and how much they needed back.

    Captain America Civil War hit 1.1 billion on a 250m budget. So even with the higher number for marketing, it still creates a tidy profit. Thus an unmitigated success.

    Solo needed to make HUGE money to dig out of the hole. It didn't. It flopped.
    This isn't like Game Night or A Quiet Place slipping in on a 20 million dollar budget, making 50m and people are saying it flopped.
    It had a 300m budget and has likely barely made it's production budget back. That's flopping.
     
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