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OFFICIAL NEWS A Lasting Record Of TLJ's Financial Performance.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Pomojema, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. MagnarTheGreat

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    U.S. disc unit sales estimated according to The-numbers.com*.

    The Force Awakens: 4,089,858 units during week 1 of physical home video release (3,420,540 Blu-ray units + 669,318 DVD units)
    Rogue One: 2,203,761 units during week 1 of physical home video release (1,862,376 Blu-ray units + 341,385 DVD units)
    The Last Jedi: 1,940,241 units during week 1 of physical home video release (1,940,241 Blu-ray units + ??? DVD units)

    * Confusingly The-numbers.com allegedly according to this image start their week count when the digital release begins not the physical.
     
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    so TLJ didn't sell on dvd format?
     
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    That is quite a dive from TFA. Blue ray barely exceeding rogue one. TLJ really did bad after post-cinema.
     
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    That site it seems that didnt show the digital format numbers yet ( or something like that) I'm wondering if netflix and other media services are affecting the sales of fisical format in movies.
     
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    TFA was the last Blu-ray or piece of physical media I'll ever buy. It's just easier to stream this stuff and with an endless stream of content coming in our direction it's natural that these numbers will drop. More people bought the original Thor Blue-Ray than Ragnarok.
     
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    I mostly stopped buying discs when 4K discs started coming out, it just became clear that no hard media had any real shelf life anymore. But I might still buy the odd important movie because watching on blu-ray on a decent tv setup right has a vastly better image quality than streaming. The compression is night and day. But I just couldn't bring myself to spend money on TLJ. One of the rules I have to find a movie re-watchable to buy it on disc and TLJ is the first Star Wars movie that I coundn't bring myself to watch again. Clearly from the above figures I am not alone.
     
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    This is the type of "must prove TLJ sucks" rhetoric I am getting sick of, and I'm not singling you out for any personal reason, it's just that this post caught my eye. An increase in sales when the entire market is in decline, that's seen as bad? Really, the film does better than the previous one, and this is proof of how hated it is?

    The entire Blu-ray market is on a downward trend that is increasing exponentially year by year. People aren't buying physical media. A movie sold in 2012 should sell more copies than a movie sold in 2015, and a movie sold in 2015 should sell more copies than a movie sold in 2018. That's how the market is going. No one buys Blu-rays and DVDs anymore. But Star Wars just saw an uptick. And Rogue One is generally thought to have delivered a satisfying experience for fans, it was not "divisive" the way TLJ supposedly is. But instead the sales are on the increase.

    It shows more people like TLJ than the nay-sayers want to believe. More people liked it than liked Rogue One if we're going by these sales, more people by a sizeable factor when you consider that Blu-ray sales are down something like 14% compared to last year. Which means that small 7% or 8% increase over Rogue One is a net increase of more like 20% when the perpetual market evaporation is calculated into the equation.
     
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    Same here. I bought the bluray of TFA in 2016. After that I dont buy more discs, I also sold my only blurey/dvd player:
    My xbox one.
     
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    The box sets for star wars is pretty much the only physical media I buy (and that is because of the covers).

    And if we are gonna compare TLJ to any physical media...we must compare it to ultron.


    Both are sequels to cultural phenomenons that were divisive
     
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    With the current domestic DVD estimates now added (disc sales and units include both blu-ray - some blu-ray SKUs include the DVD - and dvd-only figures):

    [​IMG]
     
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    Actually, while it is no secret that o personally felt TLJ was a very bad SW movie...the subject was whether or not the blue ray sales for it were bad.

    Now, citing the previous one as Rogue One is comparing Apples and bananas. I know it not prudent to compare it to the first installment in the trilogy, by default it’s actual predecessor TFA.

    The stand-alones were never expected to earn as much as the trilogy installments... Nor did they, but I believe rogue one did quite well, perhaps above expectations.

    We can do the math in regards to box office vs blue ray sales for RO and TLJ. Is that not a fair comparison? Or you could just glimpse at the numbers and do some simple calculations. Do you conclude from that that the blue ray sales for TLJ were good?

    Of course, peoples habits might have changed in regards to buying the format over the one year intervall. We would need numbers from black Panther or something similar to gauge this trend. We also need to look at digital sales etc, which is probably an increading trend. Is it your belief that this lies behind the disparity?
     
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    I personally think it's a touch too early to declare anything one way or the other, as it's hard to tell if these early numbers are reflective of the fandom's rush to get the physical disc for their collections, after all, the two numbers between Rogue One and TLJ are very similar.. More time is needed to tell if there is a trend or not.. but, l look at your post and it reeks of the classic, "see big numbers, must be good" mentality of those that want to rush to defend TLJ.

    If the only determining factor on whether physical disc sales are good or bad, was the downward trend of said physical disc sales, than you might have a point. However, logic tells us there is usually more than just one determining influence on most anything that people buy.

    For example, are we going to actually compare TLJ's numbers to Rogue One's numbers as a means to protect TLJ's virtue? TLJ, the direct sequel to TFA, with Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, Rey, Kylo, Finn, BB-8 compared to Rogue One, with characters no one knew, a story that really no one was emotionally attached too, etc etc...

    The fact is that TLJ is the direct sequel to The Force Awakens, and yet it's disc sales dropped almost 53% (so far in the same time frame), where as the market for physical discs fell approx 25% in the 2 years between the two films releases to home video.

    Basically the drop from TFA to TLJ outpaced the actual drop in overall physical disc sales (for those 2 years combined) by at least 25%. But, you're seriously going to celebrate the "uptick" of 4% from Rogue One to TLJ as a sign of how many people loved TLJ?

    The year to year drop from Rogue One to TLJ for physical disc sales was approx 14%. No matter how I personally feel about The Last Jedi (especially in comparison to R1), I would have expected TLJ's numbers to beat Rogue One's, even with the 14% drop taken into account. But how much of a drop from from TFA to TLJ is acceptable (outside of the trend in dropping sales)?

    As I said, right now, there is a 53% drop from TFA to TLJ, of which, approx 25% of that is the trend in dropping sales of physical media... So as of right now, we are at a 25% drop from TFA to TLJ. I have a feeling that will only get bigger. If that number reaches 30%, or 40% or even higher, what will the excuse be then?

    The Force Awakens finished with about 5, 910,000 in Blu Ray sales...

    Time will tell though...
     
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    These are all good points, and @Shadowblade , but you have to understand that TFA was always expected to be the highest grossing of the trilogy. It had multiple levels of decades and years of build-up--people expecting the sequel trilogy since 1983, people not having a Star Wars film in an entire decade, and the announcement in 2012, plus the hype of "getting the band back together." All that expectation made it into a cultural phenomenon before it was even released. TLJ was not expected to surpass TFA.

    The first film in every Star Wars trilogy is always the highest-earning, due to the build-up and hype surrounding it. Star Wars has a gross of $775 million, ESB has a gross of $538 million; it couldn't match the phenomenon of the original and is roughly 25% less. TPM has a gross of $1 Billion (!), AOTC only $649 million; the build up to TPM was so huge that the sequel only brought in 65%. I remember George Lucas saying before Episode II came out that they always knew TPM would be the biggest film of the three just because of the build up it had. So, this is all kind of par for the course. I'm not saying some people weren't turned off by TLJ, but the whole "diminishing returns" argument is overstated and not taken into account the larger picture of how the Star Wars franchise has always worked. It will be interesting to see Episode IX holds in this pattern, because historically the third film in each trilogy does better than the middle one, which has always been the lowest earning. Even though less people see the middle sequel, the third film is sold as "the final conclusion you've waited for" and gets more butts in the seats. IMO TLJ has performed across the board exactly as I would have expected to, there is very little surprising about any of it, but it will be interesting to see how Episode IX does after the weird 1-2 release pattern and controversies of TLJ-Solo.
     
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    There was a box office drop off of around 30% from TFA to TLJ. There's been a 20-30% drop in physical media sales in that time. These numbers seem to be in line with what we've seen so far.
     
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    You do know we have actual numbers.. right?

    35.57%. Rounding down to 30?

    The Last Jedi is at 56.6% of The Force Awakens as it pertains to Blu-Ray Sales. A staggering drop of 43.4%

    Those are the actual numbers, and they aren't in-line with anything. They are their own kind of bad.
     
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    A 35% box office drop and a 20-30% change in the market. Seems reasonable to me to expect a pretty big drop between the two films.
     
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    And yet... scoreboard. O HI MARVEL as IW gets set to pass $2 billion 6 months after TLJ release. Do you think A3 will be off 20-30% in Blu-ray sales, or even TLJ numbers? Do get your predictions in now. Cause I have a feeling A3 is going to do just fine on Blu-Ray.

    Alright… do you expect this same drop with Avengers 4 next year? By your estimation, with Marvel hitting a record high with Infinity War in like its 20th(or is it 19th? w/e!) outing, obviously the next step is a Kennedy drop in its direct sequel. Right? Don't be bashful, get on the record now. This is apparently reasonable to you.

    And no... expecting $2 billion out of Ant-Man and the Wasp is just lol. Talking direct sequels here, particularly with A3 ending similar to TFA on a cliffhanger, designed specifically as setup for the next film(the setup of which was then ridiculed by Rainy in TLJ).
     
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