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About That Force Ghost...

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by JediJurist, Dec 20, 2017.

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    On my first viewing of TLJ, I kind of wondered to myself, “why Yoda?” when our little green friend appeared as a Force Ghost. Why not Kenobi? Why have a Force Ghost at all?

    Then I realized a Yoda appearance made a ton of sense. Yoda trained Luke. Yoda was there when Luke first aspired to be a Jedi. Luke very much was still learning from his mistakes in TLJ. Luke was there when Yoda died and Yoda now visited Luke just before Luke’s natural life was coming to a close.

    Plus Obi-Wan, in Return of The Jedi, tells Luke: “Yoda will always be with you.”
     
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    Yeah, as much as I love Obi-Wan, Luke is closer to Yoda. I can imagine that Luke spent a significant amount of time (25 years or so) before his exile communicating to his old master.
     
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    Yoda is also often considered one of the wisest (at least how Luke views him), so if Yoda says to move on and accept failure...it's time to move the F on and accept failure.
     
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    I’m more concerned with Yoda being able to interact with the physical world.

    Any reason he can’t zap everyone in the first order with lightning like he did that tree? Seems like an easy solution to me.
     
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    Good critique. In my mind the whole interaction with Force Ghost thing is something intimate and not experienced by others. Meaning Luke experienced everything Yoda did—he saw Yoda summon lightening to burn the tree, he heard and saw Yoda, he felt Yoda bonk his head with the cane.

    Yet the funny thing would be for an observer to watch this unfold—reality might look differently to others. I’ve never thought others could see Force Ghosts.

    Imagine if Rey had seen Luke’s interaction with Force Yoda —>

    Rey: Master Luke, who were you talking to?
    Luke: Oh, ah... you’re still here. Nobody. Just talking to myself.
    Rey: But Master Luke, do you realize you lit the tree on fire? What are you doing?
    Luke: Huh. Perhaps I did. It’s time to move on.
     
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    So is Gandalf & Frodo flying on the backs of Eagles headed 4 Mordor w/ the 1 ring.
     
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    ‘A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.’ - Yoda, ESB.

    Yoda is being Yoda. He will never join the fight against the First Order. Never will.

    He is Luke’s mentor. Lightning that tree was totally Yoda’s style and his final lesson was a beauty.
     
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    Well no it’s not. It’s been explained why that wouldn’t work.

    The Nazgul have fell beasts which would intercept and kill the eagles before they could arrive to Mordor. Without a proper distraction Mordor would be well guarded hence the need for a small party.

    Also the eagles could become corrupted by the one ring and try to take them for themselves as all living things are vulnerable to corruption.
     
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    Excellent point. Also at the end of ROTJ the only one that can see the 3 forceghost is Luke.
     
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    Well, could be that Rian knew the fans would like that. So he gave us Yoda back on screen.

    He's not all bad!
     
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    So uh......are we just not gonna talk about how hilariously bad the puppet was? Lol (yoda 2)
    In all respect, I loved the segment. I was just too transfixed by the green piece of rubber in front of Mark Hamil to soak in the full dialogue. I was too aware it was a puppet. Other than that, great scene.
     
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    I loved the interactions between Yoda and Luke. So many lovely callbacks, and so well done.
     
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    Well, I am going to shamelessly self-promote and point those confused by Yoda's abilities to this.

    But, if you don't want to read, here's the summary:

    The process of learning doesn't stop after Jedi's physical death: Qui-Gon, who was only able to manifest by voice, over time learned not only how to appear, but also to do what Yoda did, become physically present. Yoda learned to affect the physical world. They are fulfilling Obi-Wan's promise from ANH: becoming more powerful than Sith/Dark Side users can imagine. I mean, they always were, just by being able to achieve what is effectively immortality, something Dark Side can never achieve, because becoming one with the Force and keeping your identity requires to give yourself to the Force freely, unselfishly, not wanting to use it for your own goals. However, this is the next level.
     
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    That was the reasoning Rian also gave. The other reason why not Obi-wan was quite simple - Alec Guiness is dead and Luke has never interacted with Ewan McGregor's version of the character, so that's why he chose Yoda.
     
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    I Personally Thought Obi-Wan Was Going To Step Out Of The Burning Tree And Then Anakin Would Come Out Somewhere So ALL 3 Could Try Talking Some Sense Into Luke
     
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    I was wondering that, too.

    Something Luke said stuck out to me: "It was a Jedi Master who was responsible for the training and creation of Darth Vader"

    That's a pretty harsh statement. I mean, he's basically blaming Obi-Wan for Vader. Perhaps they had a falling out after Luke's own disenchantment with the Jedi way?
     
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    That's Luke disappointment in himself speaking. He believes he's responsible for Ben/Kylo. And neither is true.

    If anything, the entire Jedi order failed Anakin. Combined with his sh*tty decisions, you get Vader.
     
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    I'm not saying he's right. I'm just saying he's in a headspace where he sees himself as having failed Ben/created Kylo, and it seems like he might have transferred those feelings onto Obi-Wan by claiming that Obi-Wan created Vader
     
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    Well the responsibility lies mostly with Anakin himself obviously but Obi-Wan failed him both as a teacher and a friend.
    If Obi-Wan hadn't been so dogmatic Anakin could have confided in him about his marriage and his troubling visions. If he had been as wise as Luke he wouldn't have fought him on Mustafar and perhaps Vader would never had happened.
     
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    Vader already happened prior to Mustafar, but I agree on the sentiment and expand it to the entire Jedi order.
     
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