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About those Red Guards

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Darth Holmes, Jun 13, 2017.

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Do you like the new Red Guards?

  1. Yes they're great

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  2. No they're unoriginal

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  3. I'm not sure

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    Yeah DP's urn is mentioned in one of the novels. Returning undead dark lords are all over the old EU. I proposed this one in serious tone before. But I was sincerely hoping for 25 foot tall Space dragon before Snoke was revealed. My judgment can't always be trusted.
     
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    Completely agree
     
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    I love the designs of Snoke's Praetorian Guards. I really like it how the ST has a medieval theme.

    It's not really derivative of Palpatine's Imperial Royal Guards. It's just because they're both red, but other than that they're different on their own aspects.
     
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    I wonder if the red armor of the Guavian Death Gang would have been better for the guards and the variety of looks might have better served the gang.
     
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    What if they calculate Plagueis and Snoke can pass trough as a two different persons just like Imperial guard and Praetorian guard can pass as two different group of elite guards ?.:p
     
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    I don't remember Empires End saying the FO children were made up of ex imperials. Im pretty sure those homicidal solider kids were slaves from Jakku.

    The First Order is birthed from the Empire on Rax's orders (which were instructions from Palpatine). Destroy the Empire and start over. Obviously they would do it in the Empires image since the only remaining people left to rebuild were imperials.
     
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    Ok, jokes aside someone must reconstruct the Snoke's red guards story, here is my proposal.

    We know that one of the ships that escaped from Jakku was "Imperialis", a Palptine's personal Yacht (ship in a class of fregate), which, potentialy had small stadard complement of Imperial red guardsmen to guard Palpatine on his voyages.

    Leadarless Imperials, searching for new strong leader, assigned those guards to be on disposal of, whom else- Snoke the Wise.

    And of course than Snoke made modifications on them , probably trained their successors additionaly in his ways (original guards were trained by Palpatine himslef ) .

    In fact we can substract they now resemble like some kind (not same but like) red vesions of Knights of Ren, so to speak,implying new Snoke's "signature" .

    Imperialis.
    [​IMG]
     
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    To me, this just furthers speculation that Snoke may have been a part of the empire and not just watching from afar; too much adopted from the Empire by the FO to not at least seriously consider it
     
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    Exactly, if Snoke would not be Alien, we will have serrious possibility he could be maybe some leader of Imperial Guards, but thats impossible we know all in imperial guard were drafted amongst human males of the same height( 1.83 m).

    However as you said it, this guards story implies much closer previous relationship of Snoke and the Empire, or , Snoke and the Emperor himself.

    Damit and my Kronal, always returning.....(character invented by Pablo Hidalgo himself, BTW )Case for Snoke
     
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    I've thought for awhile now that these guards, not only guard Snoke, but are also the Knights of Ren. The different helmet designs are reminiscent of some of the helmets seen during the force back, and all seem to have different style weapons, also as in the forceback. What better personal guards could Snoke ask for than the KOR, guards trained in using the dark side, who perhaps individually specialize and have been trained using different fighting styles to master, hence the different styles of weapons. I believe it was mentioned that there are 6 different red guards for Snoke. Were there not 6 KOR in the forceback vision? (correct me if I'm wrong)

    I'm betting these are the KOR and will be dispatched with Kylo to hunt down Luke/Rey.
     
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    Jason from MSW is pretty insistent that they aren't in the movie.
     
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    Have you read Empires End? There are no Imperial Guards on the yacht.

    As for these new guards actually being KOR, Jason seems pretty adamant they are not.
     
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    There are Sloane and children, Guards aren't mentioned, should they be mentioned? I mean its is large ship, with the quarters of Emperor in it, I am not sure that entire crew could be mentioned.

    With the same typ of ships( there are few coppies of Imperialis) Emperor came to second Death Star, with his Guards. Guards are protecting the Emperor. In his yacht to.

    Guards aren't KOR, however there is, by my opinion KOR "schtick" felt in their design.
     
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    Well I haven't read Empires End but I was under the impression from other discussions that the kids were all part of Hux Snr training program which s why I referred to them all as children of imperials but I take your point that perhaps they didn't all have Imperial parents.

    Anyway the first gen FO were definitely Imperials & now the secret no Generation of the FO are following in there footsteps & are definitely taking all there inspiration from the former Empire. So for me it is entirely fitting for Snoke to have some type of specialist guard. Also I don't get why this means he had links to the empire before the FOturns up as n the UR as if he wants to take over the FO then what better way then to act the part of a Emperor & accept this specialist guard.
     
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    Yeah. I'm typically a glass half full/optimistic guy. But...I don't like 'em. They remind me of the red robot "Maximilian" from Disney's 80s' cheesy attempt at sci-fi/Star Wars cash grab "The Black Hole" (mind you, I loved it as a kid). But they really look like a derivative cross between that lame robot and Palpatine's (RAD/SCARY) Emperor's Royal Guard. Frank;y, a LOT of things have me scratching my head the more I hear about TLJ. I'm keeping optimistic, but I am getting increasingly worried Rian went a little bat$hit when making this.
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    Yeah. I actually have a hunch that the Knights of Ren aren't going to be heard from or seen again in the ST. I think that was a JJ/Kasdan creation for TFA that was mostly edited out of that film and will get tossed onto the idea trash heap going forward like so many other things during the TFA creative gestation (aside from some EU stuff to expand on the KOR so the writers can cover their arses continuity-wise).
     
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    I like them. They also seem like a logical step forward in terms of their design. At first, Senate Guards were clearly inspired by Praetorian Guards.
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Next, we had Imperial Guards that look very much like Arab warriors from early Middle Ages.
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    Now, the new Praetorian Guards, quite funnily, don't look like Praetorians at all. Instead, they are clearly inspired by late Medieval knights.
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    It seems that many of key First Order designs (Phasma's armour, Kylo Ren's lightsaber and new Praetorian Guards) take a lot of inspiration from late Medieval design. It just goes to show that concept artitsts have found horse sense and make people see that there was an actual progress in design between OT and ST. Personally, I also believe that these designs will be considered "un-Star-Wars-y" by some and after some time they will become an essential part of Star WArs visual identity, just like the prequels.
     
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    One thing to note is the differences. In the end of Aftermath
    The admiral who was incharge explained Rae Sloane's testing. It was a very survival of the fitest philosophy.
    That might explain why the are unique in their look.

    I also think its possible that Kylo and the knights earned their position by destroying the Jedi. So KOR in the Force back. But now Kylo is chief lacky and the KOR have become the guards.

    I am not the first to propose that 5he knights became the guards. I think someone already made that suggestion.
     
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    For me they are more inspired by the red Samurai (mixed with some designs of medieval knights):
    f3619a39d85c97a4b02d72ffcaa93a9f.jpg hqdefault.jpg

    The KOR were most likely inspired by the "Seven Samurai", too.
    [​IMG]

    Rian Johnson also mentioned the movie "Three Outlaw Samurai" as a big influence for his movie. Maybe these guards and the KOR are the same people after all.
     
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    Yep love the red look. Can't wait to see these guys in action.
     
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    There's clearly an influence from palpatines guards, which makes sense, considering the first order formed from the ashes of the imperial remnant. I liked the newer design and the fact that actually fought, unlike the royal guards, and nearly held their own against 2 force users. The different weapon for each was cool also
     
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