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SPECULATION Ahch-To

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Darth Sidious, Jul 30, 2016.

  1. Darth Sidious

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    What's the story behind Ach-to? What led the first Jedi to build a temple there? Is it where the Jedi-Sith schism occured?
     
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    If I was writing things I'd pull from legends the idea that the Sith came from the Jedi order. If I were writing it...

    The Jedi order originated on Ach-To. A powerful Jedi fell to the dark side, and convinced many others to join his rebellion against the Jedi. They would become the Sith. When they were beaten the Jedi banished them and abandoned Ach-To, ashamed of what happened there. Luke found out that Snoke was the Jedi/Sith who led the rebellion, so he set out looking for Ach-To to learn more about Snoke and seek a way to defeat him.
     
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    Maybe the first Jedi built a temple there because of the (rumored) force tree. The force was very strong with that tree. But why did they leave?

    ^This. Then the remaining Jedi went to Jedha, the new spiritual home of the order (according to R1).
     
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    If ep.8 will tell such an epic story, it will be the best SW movie so far :)
     
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    Luke is there fighting his own Dark Side.
     
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    If Luke is struggling with his dark side, that would undercut the original trilogy. That's the entire point of the OT. Also, it is stated in the new canon (one of the books) that Luke posesses an "incorruptable soul".
     
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    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ahch-To

    Maybe he sees how the fight against the Sith changed the Jedi and made the blind to other Dark Side practices, so he goes back in history and lore to see what kind of knowledge was lost. Back to where it all began.
     
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    I also think that Luke is there facing and fighting his demons. I think the concept of his "exile" there loosely parallels Obi-Wans position in ANH, but I would like to see a departure from it with the sudden realization (a "OMG!!" moment) in VIII when it's suddenly revealed that he's not alone on that rock...or the planet. I think it would be a great reveal to see that the planet is a very secretive "Jedi Monastery" of something of the like, sparsely populated with old Jedi and their Padawans....or something such as that.

    Like I've said elsewhere; "Exile" doesn't necessarily mean "Alone".
     
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    What is interesting is that in the novel to 'The Empire Strikes Back', Yoda tells Luke, "This tree is strong with the darkside of the Force. A servant of evil it is. Into it you must go". The film says, "That place is strong with the darkside of the Force. A domain of evil it is. In you must go".

    It could be that Ahch-to is a lot like Dagobah, and the tree is like the tree on Dagobah.
     
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    It can even be that even though the order originated on Ach-To, its members were not yet called Jedi. I also think the Sith are not the main protagonist, as imagined by the prequels. It is more likely the darkside in general which gave rise to all sorts of dark jedi orders under all sorts of different names. I also think @Ceruleanlord 's comparison with Dagobah is very interesting. Perhaps Dagobah was the darkside binary of Ach-To and refuge to the first dark side users. This would also exlain why Yoda choose it as his place of voluntary exile. In Late Antiquity, monks would often take up residence in spaces which they considered as inherently evil: pagan temples, grottos and ruins. As they took their residence amongst there ruins, through pious action the monks tried to expel the evil from such places and also train themselves in ascetic conduct. Perhaps, Yoda was doing the same thing on Dagobah?

    But then what is Luke doing on Ach-To. Did it somewhere in its long change from a place of "Jedi piety" into a place of evil. Why does Luke think he has to travel to Ach-To in order to defeat evil? The imperial officers who gave birth to the First Order had decided that they would search for the origins of the darkside. With Snoke they found it. But would that mean that Luke is now seeking the origins of the light side in order to defeat the dark?
     
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    A holocron in a canon comic says, "Once we were brothers in The Force, but from the Hundred-Year Darkness was born the Sith." I think for 100 years the light siders and dark siders battled on Ach-to, and then the light siders left for Jedha and became the Jedi while the dark siders left for Moraband and became the Sith.
     
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    I'd probably go with Ach-To as an analogy for Tython in Legends, home of the Je'daii order who believed

    Luke goes back to study this elusive balance. I believe that at the end of RotJ Luke is what we have been calling a Grey Jedi (he uses some darkside techniques for example) and that a tenuous balance orbits him, a balance that has been threatened by Snoke, and Ben's fall to the darkside. (This is how Vader/Anakin brought balance to the force - He acted as Luke's mentor in the darkside - to Obi Wan and Yoda's Light and when Luke had come towards balance within himself, Vader sacrificed his life killing the only other remaining Sith.)
     
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    I can't wait to see if they get off the island & explore the mainland.
     
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    I wonder if Ach-to is the equivalent to legends planet Tython, which was the bridge between Je'daii and the follow up, the Jedi order.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tython

    The Je'daii Order was an ancient organization unified by its belief and observance of the Force on the planet Tython, in the galaxy'sDeep Core. Focusing on maintaining a balance in the Force, a state at which Tython was itself hospitable, the Je'daii saw the Force as two aspects of a whole; the Ashla and the Bogan. They saw this duality in the Force represented in the night sky of Tython in the form of two natural satellites; one bathed in light, another shrouded in darkness. In keeping with their ideal balance, Je'daii who fell too far to either the light or darkness were exiled to one of the moons tomeditate until they returned to balance.
     
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