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Alien: Covenant

Discussion in 'Film' started by Admiral Petty, Dec 26, 2016.

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    So a trailer just dropped for Alien: Covenant. Warning, Red Band trailer. As far as I am aware, that's the only kind of trailer available at this point. Although, let's be honest, it is an Alien film after all, gore and language are kinda expected.



    Good to see the Xenomorph again.

    So what are you guys thoughts? Excited, disinterested, wary after previous disappointing entries in the franchise. Discuss!
     
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    I'm more interested in Aliens 2: We're Not F***ing It Up This Time, We Swear from Neill Blomkamp, but this looks very promising.
     
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    When Prometheus was being teased, I was so stoked to see the film because I thought we were going to see something new and learn about the people who created the aliens and why. Well, we all know how that went, but I give it points because it "tried" to be "not just another alien film". This one the other hand is just that: ANOTHER ALIEN FILM! None of those scenes teases anything new, just the same old alien. Crew goes to distant planet. Crew member gets "facehuged". Alien grows inside and "bursts out" of crewmember in gory sequence. Alien kills most if not all the crew save the one female "Ripley type" who manages to either kill or escape said alien. Been there, done that way to many times! I will probably go see it if only to watch that B@#$%! who refused to let the poor woman escape get hers!!!!!:mad:
     
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    Same here. I was really jazzed about Prometheus and actually liked the film enough that I was hungry for more of THAT story. Now....it appears to be the same old Alien flick...AGAIN. Now, I'm not so interested. Way to go, Ridley. :(
     
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    For what it's worth, both David and Elizabeth Shaw are in this movie, so their story will be continued. The planet that they're on is the Engineer homeworld, so it is a continuation of the overall narrative started in Prometheus... Even if they're making it obvious that it's an Alien movie this time.

    My impression is that they're basing the movie more on the script that Alien: Engineers was supposed to be before Damon Lindelof rewrote it into Prometheus, though it's been reworked into a sequel instead of a new take on the same material.
     
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    Understood. I was a bit disappointed that Noomi Rapace isn't attached to the production, and based on the content of the trailer, it seems like the same old same old...thing.

    That being said, I'd like Ridley to focus a bit more on the engineers, their reasoning for the "weapon", and what they hoped to achieve. I don't doubt that those things will be touched on, and perhaps even explored slightly, but from what I saw....." Alien".

    I also think that the title could potentially turn off prospective viewers as "Oh gee, another Alien movie." as they buy a ticket to a different venue. ....kind of like "Friday the 13th Part 62: Jason gets a job".

    I enjoyed Prometheus even knowing that it was an Alien prequel, but it wasnt just about the Xenomorph, but moreso about those that created it.

    I just want to know more about the Engineers, because hell, we know what they've done...i just want to know their story. :)

    CORRECTION: Apparently Noomi Rapace IS reprising her role as Shaw....for about 5 minutes, no doubt.
     
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    The movie's premise suggests that it's similar to Prometheus in that it's about an expedition to discover the possibility of alien life that goes horribly wrong, and the trailer does indicate that we'll be seeing some dead Engineers at some point, given that they hop aboard one of their starships, but that's about it. Still, I can get where you're coming from.

    I think it's safe to say that the first trailer's done a good job of advertising the fact that it's an Alien prequel, but a bad job of advertising that it's also a Prometheus sequel (aside from that shot of the twin Michael Fassbender synthetics being in there).
     
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    For what it's worth, keep in mind that the Xenomorph is just one of the monsters that is going to be in the movie. The creature that we see bursting from the poor guy's back is what has been dubbed a Neomorph by the film crew. This far, it is confirmed that there are going to be two Neomorphs in the film, and it sounds as if they will be the primary threat in the film. They are the result of the spores that we see in the trailer, rather than the facehugger.

    Here's some concept art for context.
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    Pretty creepy looking.

    As for the Engineers, I kinda think that focusing on them the way Scott did in Prometheus may have been a bit of a mistake. There was such a cool element of mystery around the Engineer that we see in the original film. That mystique is kinda lessened now IMO. Some things should be left more to imagination of you ask me(like Boba Fett's origin for instance).

    That being said, with what they started in Prometheus, it would be silly, and frankly, a bit of a slap in the face not to travel further down that path at this point. Let's just hope that everything is handled well.

    As for the Xenomorph, I guess I've always loved the design, ever since just seeing the commercials scared the crap out of me as a little kid. There's something about it that is incredibly scary on a primal level. No other monster that I have ever seen in any film has come close to scaring and unnerving me the way the Xenomorph did back in the day. Sadly, growing older, plus overexposure has lessened its menace a great deal through the years.

    Still though, I think that there are more great things that could be done with it in the hands of the right filmmaker.

    On another note, does anyone else feel like trailers like this give a bit to much away nowadays. Several scares and unnerving moments are going to be pretty predictable after seeing a trailer like this one. I'm sure the film will have plenty more to surprise us with, but I still find it a little irritating when they spoil things like character deaths in a trailer.
     
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    Well just a few days ago I just rewatched Alien, the set design is incredible and nothing of this is seen here, it just looks so sleak and streamlined.
    The covenant was something I was looking forward to, but I'm not so sure about it.

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    The Nostromo was just a space truck but it looked like a abomination straight from hell:
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    Or the Sulaco: a flying space shotgun!
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    I even liked the little firefly easter egg on the Prometheus it was a freaking cool behemoth and loosing this ship was one of the few emotional moments in the film.

    But how did they end up with this and why?

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    I for one am really pumped for Alien Covenant as I really did like Prometheus. While I respect everyones own opinion, I have to say it really surprises me on how many people disliked the movie because they were expecting a Alien prequel that tied directly to said movies. I don't know how many times I read about Ridley Scott saying that this movie wasn't about that and that while it was indeed in the same universe, it was a totally different story. Sometimes I have to ask myself if there is ever a way to please some fans. If the movie is to close to the originals then they dislike it because it's the same old plot but then they hated Prometheus because it strayed to far from the regular plot? I guess there's just no way to please everybody.

    That being said, I have to say that I really liked the film as it expands on everything we know and gives a wide opening to wonderful new things. While I was a bit bummed at first that they turned the alien Space Jockey into a suit, the Engineers really grew on me and now I can't wait to see what awesome new creatures we get to see. So far I have seen what appear to be failed Xeno experiments and that looks really cool.
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    I also wish that some of the unused creatures of Prometheus get to make a comeback in some way as there were two great concepts that didn't make it into the movie:
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    Those are the infant forms of the Neomorphs, which are based on the Ultramorph (the white Xenomorph variant) concept art you also linked to.
     
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    Sweet!
     
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    Ok so I'm confused here. We have Prometheus. Then we we're supposedly getting a Prometheus 2 Paradise or something like that. Then Ridley is dropping that for Alien Covenant but I see a David type of synthetic in the film and no Elizabeth Shaw? Help me out here.
     
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    This is SUPPOSED to be "Prometheus 2"....sad huh?? Seems like Ridley forgot where he was at in the story.....I'm very sad about this. :(
     
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    Called Walter, a newer model talking to young Weyland, but David is also in the film, so guess who is who in this trailer, still confused:D;)? Good!
    Did you see that tag hanging from the ceiling, that could be hers, so maybe she is there somehow.
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    Yeah Paradise lost or something, I think that was the first name and then they changed ot. And then there is another film in works(sequel to 2, reboot for 3 and 4, with Biehn and Weaver) but halted to not disturb Ridley's work.
     
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    Alien: Covenant is Prometheus 2. Elizabeth Shaw will be somewhere in the movie, but they're not advertising her role just yet. Michael Fassbender is playing two synthetics - Walter and David (the same one from Prometheus).

    I hope that clears things up. As I said, this movie has done a good job of advertising itself as an Alien prequel, but a bad job of advertising itself as a Prometheus sequel.
    Aliens 2, which will ignore 3 and Resurrection, will be released following Covenant - after which, Fox apparently plans to do two more movies in the Prometheus/Covenant series. They certainly seem to be gearing themselves toward doing more with the Alien and Predator franchises as of late.
     
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    Um yea you and I both!!! I was wanting to see the engineer's home world (which looks like we may but is way watered down) being semi hyped from the ending of Prometheus where Shaw and David's head head off :D supposedly to the engineer home planet. The trailer looks like an Alien reboot. We'll see.
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    That's the planet you're seeing in the trailer. I believe that David called it "Paradise" in a deleted scene of Prometheus. Which would explain why the movie was originally entitled Alien: Paradise Lost.
    Rapace apparently filmed for several weeks, so it's likely that her role should be bigger than that.
     
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    I wanted Prometheus 2. I don't know what this is but Scott better come through. Wait a minute we're getting Blade Runner(October), an Alien flick(May), and a SW film (December) in the same year! Great time to be a Sci-fi fan! If this is good, I want Ridley for a standalone SW film.
     
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    Yeah, I don't know what this is either, but it appears that Ridley made a wrong turn. If this IS a "sequel" to Prometheus, It appears to be far removed from where the last movie left off.
     
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