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SPECULATION Anakin, Luke, and Rey's lightsaber

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by McDiarmid, May 10, 2018.

  1. McDiarmid

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    Interesting entry in Offical Star Wars databank.

    https://www.starwars.com/databank/anakin-luke-and-reys-lightsaber

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    If Rey is nobody, and Skywalker line is gona be left behind, why does she need symbolically to keep now sheared apart Skywalker lightsaber in her hands at the end of ep VIII?

    In the newest Poe Dameron comic, which is Canon, we find Rey continues to be puzzled by the broken sword she inherited and the things it represents.

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    Why keeping this story ties with Skywalker lineage ?

    Even if Skywalker light saber chosed Rey randomly, again, she is than chosen spiritual continuation of Skywalkers, and if not by blood, than by spirit a succesor of elite Skywalker dinasty in any way.

    Rey is by this at worst, adopted Skywalker.

    And what was that all about removing Skywalker dinasty?

    Why not true Skywalker than?
     
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    I'm interested in what happens to it in IX. The kyber from that image seems to have split in two. That image by the way is blooming ugly.
     
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    I think they’ve pretty much spelled it out for us—this trilogy marks the end of the Skywalker saga. If Rey remains a nobody, then my guess would be that the Skywalker bloodline will die with Kylo Ren at the end of Episode IX, while Rey survives to represent the legacy of Luke, Leia and Han. As of the end of The Last Jedi, that seems like the most logical place for the story to go.

    That being said, there’s a million things that could happen in Episode IX. But this databank post and the excerpt from the comic doesn’t offer anything new, really. Rey’s significance lies in the idea that she comes from nothing and still amounts to something great, which not only allows this story to extend beyond the Skywalker family, but also allows her to parallel Kylo Ren, who comes from everything and amounts to something terrible.

    I’m still not completely sold on the fact that she’s a nobody, but assuming that’s the route they’re taking, I’d say that her connection to the lightsaber simply goes along with her representing a move away from the idea that the Skywalker lineage is the only important one in these films. I wouldn’t look into it too much beyond that.
     
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    Kylo Ren should have inherited the Millennium Falcon, his grandfather's lightsaber, Chewbacca's companionship, Han's and Leia's final parental affection. Instead Rey got all those things. She didn't ask for them - they just fell into her life.

    Which is the long way of saying it's not just the lightsaber.

    If the theme of the prequels was bloodlines of destiny and ancient prophecies, then the theme of the ST is choice. Kylo could have inherited everything, but the choices he made caused him to lose them all. And he wants them more than Rey ever did. He keeps saying "Let the past die" but every time he sees the Falcon or Anakin's lightsaber he has to seize it or destroy it, immediately. He can't let the past go, no matter how much he wants to.

    Sorry, got off topic. Back to the point.

    Rey is a nobody, and Kylo Ren is the last Skywalker, but this isn't the PT anymore. Rey doesn't get the lightsaber by being more Skywalker than Kylo - she gets it because the Force awakened within her. Kylo didn't lose it by being less of a Skywalker than Rey, he lost is because the Force chose someone else.
     
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    Quite
    And that's what this Fraud-walker will always be 2 me. An unneeded nobody.
     
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    and people complain that Ben treats her bad. : o p

    Rey is not a Skywalker, but that doesn't make her a nobody.
    even Ben recognizes that.

    and the Force doesn't care whose bloodline owns a lightsaber.
    it only cares about the balance.
     
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    It's also a good deconstruction of the idea of monarchy or inherited right, which the anti-authority Star Wars series has always been critical of--even when one of the main characters in the series starts as a Queen, she's an elected one and serves her term before giving up the title (e.g., not actually royalty). I think it's interesting in that the Force "choses" to pick Rey over Ben, it's a tacit endorsement from the living universe itself that the idea of being special just because you are a Skywalker is total BS.

    So I guess you could say the political leaning of the Force/universe are very Star-Warsy. That's why I really like the idea of Rey being a nobody. Since when was "divine right" part of the Star Wars mythos? Even when that was introduced in the prequels it really does seem to me that Lucas couldn't figure out if "the prophecy" was meant to be a legitimate mythological motif or a subversive red herring, which is probably why he more or less dropped the entire angle from the storyline, which is kind of absurd when you consider how profoundly this should affect certain characters and plot points.
     
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    Thank you. You just said in two sentences what takes me a page and a half to express.
     
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    I think she will try to find a way to fix the lightsaber...but like I said in another thread just now, as a character, she is too important NOT to be a skywalker, solo, etc.
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    Rey isn't a Skywalker. Let it go man....
     
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    There will always be people who think Rey is a Skywalker, even though TLJ and later EPIX told them she isn't...
     
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    It's just too boring if she turns out to be a Skywalker or Solo. I could accept that she is a Kenobi, but not a relation to any of the other characters.
     
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    It's not that I think that she is a skywalker, but that she deserves to be something like that
     
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    Ok Rey is nobody, a random Force user, and Skywalkers aren't needed anymore to make leading hero in Skywalker saga.

    But , BUT, for Rey's story to be plausible, atractive and powerfull enough in the Skywalker trilogy, she is made a holder of Skywalker sword like an Excalibur.Chosen by Skywalker Excalibur.

    So we don't need Skywalkers but need Skywalker Excalibur for the story to go on randomly? Well its semi-random, actually a hypocrisy.

    If Rey is truly random, nobody, than I would if I could ask LSL and Disney to stop tormenting us and insulting Skywalker. If Rey is random than show that you believe in the power of "equal chances for all" idea and dont use Skywalker Excalibur for excusing Rey's credibility.

    Let Rey throw away saber into the sea and show that Rey random idea is indeed wise and honest.

    Let us abandon outdated Star Wars aristocracy and deliver parole of equal chances for all , however let us have Rey , who is random, to be chosen by Skywalker Lighstaber,which is a very symbol of Star Wars Skywalker aristocracy.

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    What I don't understand is that the prequels prove that you don't have to come from some powerful family to have the Force. The fact that we have been following The Skywalker's for eight films are a coincidence.
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    Yes, its called the Prequels. YOU DON'T NEED A POWERFUL BLOODLINE TO HAVE THE FORCE.
     
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    Prequel trilogy is about Cosmic Force creating powerful bloodline as an intervention to bring back the balance after history of millions of random Force users born before, who were unable to acheive balance trough countless millenia.

    So prequel trilogy is about event of Creation of the chosen line, by design of Cosmic Force, to bringing balance.

    And now, "big brains " found in the sequel trilogy is Force abandoning its project of bringng back the balance by Chosen line , and leaving agenda again to randoms who didnt brought balance in millenia before that ?

    Culd be, and is utterly intellectually unsatisfactory approach. Force should finish what Force have started with birth of Anakin Skywalker, otherwise, Force is indeed reduced to a thing that is used for lifting rocks .
     
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    Why? She is already her own person. You shouldn't be defined by your lineage but action.

    The PT is about the fall of Anakin Skywalker respectively Darth Vader's birth. => Darkness
    The OT is about Vader's redemption. => Light
    The ST is about his legacy in form of Kylo Ren. => Balance
     
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    If it was an "intervention" how do you explain the other Force users? Well before the discovery of Anakin?
     
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    you mean the light saber was tossed like garbage by Luke, and then destroyed in a fight between Rey and Ren?

    it's not excalibur. it's a piece of junk that symbolizes the desperate need for letting go of the past and finding balance.
     
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    and i haven't forgotten that you called me a 'barstool' yesterday! :eek: (r2-d2)

    :p
     
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