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Anakin's Saber did not witness all of Rey's vision?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Xeven, Jun 13, 2017.

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    I need to go watch it again, however it has occurred to me that Anakin's Saber would not have likely been present at all of the things Rey see's in her vision?

    Luke did not have it when Kylo destroyed his order did he? Maz would have had it during that time I would think?
     
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    You are correct.
     
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    The whole Forceback scene changed quote a bit. At first it used to show the story of the Anakin's lightsaber but it was changed so much that in the end it showed a series of events that are of some unknown importance to the ST.
     
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    Technically it isn't the saber giving the vision, it's the force. The saber doesn't have to be at all events.
     
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    Yes, you are correct. However, we have seen this, or something similar happen already. In episode two, as well as three, we have seen Anakin experience visions too. One of his mother dying, and one of Padmé's death during childbirth. Now, Anakin never saw Padmé's death before it occurred, or even while it did, so the same question could be asked. Why did he get a vision of what was going to happen, and even more, with so much clarity?

    Well, the answer is because he is powerful with the force. Rey also has shown immense amounts of power in the force in The Force Awakens. She flew the Falcon through a Star Destroyer, managed to learn mind control in a matter of seconds, and even defeated a somewhat trained Kylo Ren, though he was injured in all fairness.

    Perhaps it wasn't the lightsaber, but her power in the force that allowed her to see the past and future, and the lightsaber has just triggered it, without actually being part of what caused it, or perhaps it somewhat concentrated Rey's strength in the force enough so he could see the vision. Maybe the vision was waiting for the right moment when she would reach a certain amount of understanding in the force, when she would push through a force barrier of some sort, and that lightsaber might have just helped her push past it.
     
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    Hum.... as surprising this can be, lightsabers don't have eyes and ears. Maybe the crystal inside have some sort of Midichlorian operated archiving device... Maybe it connects to some other lightsabers on what we could call the "Midichlorian-Network", it's like the internet but through the Force instead of Wi-Fi.

    So maybe Midichlorians are like TMZ, they pass info, gossip and sith.
     
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    Good post.
     
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    Maybe it ran out of batteries, and needed to be recharged.:p:p
     
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    Will no one get the needed power converters!
     
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    Correct. It was severely changed/edited. Like much of TFA. Hopefully the next two films can tie it all together and connect the dots so TFA doesn't look like a convoluted over-edited mess in hindsight. Right now it seems like the story group is already ditching a lot of stuff from TFA.
     
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    Luke tried but Owen Lars wouldn't let him...
     
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    :p:D..
     
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    While I don't really like the whole lightsaber induced vision thing, I have to agree with you on what you are saying because this has been seen before. Back in ROTS, Anakin is having a vision in the Force while holding a data pad. While it can be said that he may have indeed learned that Obi Wan had been there moments earlier because of his contact with the data pad, we can't say that it was the pad that caused his vision as he saw Padme with Obi Wan as she dies giving birth and I really don't see the data pad being there when that happens. Just as you said about the lightsaber, maybe Obi Wan had touched the data pad when he was there with Padme and the Force triggered Anakin's contact with it to give him the vision of an event that would happen in which both Obi Wan and Padme were together once more. No special power in the data pad but the Force used it as something to trigger the vision.
     
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    These crystals are alive, and have bonded with Skywalkers, both Anakin and Luke shared an intimate, traumatic bond with this Lightsaber, in doing so, the Lightsaber very much so was a part of these moments in history; so much that it retained the affects, or wounds, in the Force created by trauma. The earliest portion of the Force back is Padmé pleading with Anakin on Mustafar. I do believe the Lightsaber was a part of the vision. I think it's ridiculous that Maz recovered the Skywalker Lightsaber, no, it must have been familial, maybe even Luke himself.

    Of course, as witnessed, the Lightsaber didn't only show the past, it also gave witness to the future. As such, perhaps everything we've seen is not of the past.
     
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    The saber is in all the scenes except the last one where Kylo Ren has his mask on ... All of the scenes the saber appears in are real. The last one is not it is the force showing rey the person who is in the ship / or the real scene in the snowy forest woods is the same person as in the mask...
     
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    Why in the hell did Abrams and Kasdan bring back that damn lightsaber? Of all the stupid things to do.


    By the way, Anakin's first vision of Padme in the throes of childbirth happened while he was asleep. Just as his visions of his mother being tortured by the Tuskens occurred while he was asleep. He didn't really need to touch anything . . . did he?
     
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    I'm genuinely annoyed that they brought back Luke's lightsaber now that Pablo Hidalgo has essentially said they had no idea where the story was going post TFA. So not only do they have no answer to "a good story for another time", but now this thread has pointed out other inconsistencies with that saber. While I've been on board for everything since Disney took over, that recent claim of "we have nothing planned out" has really gotten under my skin. I had faith they would explain all that stuff, but now I'm not so sure. I've never been a JJ basher, but I'm now terrified of his damned mystery box if he has no resolution in mind....and the lightsaber is at the center of all my concerns.
     
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    Good points but I disagree. I like that the story isn't mapped out. It allows Disney to hire creative innovative minds and let them work their magic. I 100% agree that a major downside is we're going to get more loose ends that never get resolved.

    However I think the benefits the franchise will get from giving the writing teams full creative control (well mostly full... it's still Disney ) will outweigh those annoying loose ends. Boxing in confident, creative minds doesn't usually end well.
     
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    Unless he was touching himself.
     
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