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Andy Serkis Cancelled Keystone Comic Con Appearance Due to Last Minute Scheduling Conflict

Discussion in 'SWNN News Feed' started by SWNN Probe, Sep 19, 2018.

  1. SWNN Probe

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    Andy Serkis cancelled a recent appearance at the Keystone Comic Con in Philadelphia, which was held over the last weekend. There's been a trend of Star Wars alumni cancelling previously-scheduled appearances prior to - or during - filming for the new movies. So could Andy Serkis continue this trend with Star Wars Episode IX?





    This information can be seen on the Keystone Comic Con website (hat tip r/StarWarsLeaks) which shows that Andy Serkis and prolific voice actor Nolan North were the only two people to cancel their appearances at the convention. While North's cancellation was likely unrelated to Star Wars, Serkis making a cancellation while Episode IX is filming at Pinewood Studios seems suspicious. And according to IMDB, Serkis currently doesn't appear to be filming anything between Mowgli (which he directed and stars in) being completed and one of his next projects (Netflix's Animal Farm, which he will also direct) not starting production for a while. However, we can report that we've heard that Serkis did indeed cancel his appearance at the event due to a last minute scheduling conflict.



    So those are the facts. As of right now, it's not clear what Serkis was working on, and it's worth keeping in mind that he does serve as a consultant for a number of movies that need help with motion-capture. However, the unspecified nature of the scheduling conflict does lend credence to the idea that Serkis could film some scenes for Episode IX, so from here on out, this piece will cover speculation as to what this might mean if that ends up being the case.



    Does Andy Serkis potentially being involved in Episode IX mean that Supreme Leader Snoke will be back from the dead? Not so fast - let's not get carried away. The Last Jedi clearly established that Kylo Ren is the central villain of this trilogy once he usurped the title of Supreme Leader from his former master, and Snoke suddenly coming back would undermine that character arc; I doubt that J. J. Abrams would be willing to reverse such a crucial narrative decision only to kill Snoke at the end of the movie anyway. (The 'Snoke is Darth Plagueis' ship sailed a while ago, just saying.) Furthermore, Serkis was not included in the main casting announcement, suggesting that any role he might have would be minor at best. With this in mind, I think that if Snoke's got a role in the movie, then it will be confined to either flashbacks, visions of some kind, or holograms (or possibly some combination of all three).



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    When I say flashbacks, I don't mean that we should expect Episode IX to have a twenty-minute interlude where we get a Snoke biopic to learn every key detail about his past. We could learn more about Snoke insofar as how he's tied to the First Order's expansion and how Luke and Leia seem to know him on a personal level, which The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi both hinted that there's some history there even before he met the boy who would become Kylo Ren. Meanwhile, the First Order doesn't seem like it went on the warpath until Snoke took charge; he may have found something that gave them an edge in the conflict to come, and that could play into the ending of this trilogy.



    We should also consider the possibility that Snoke could appear to Kylo Ren throughout Episode IX. Now, it seems as if only heroic characters can become Force Spirits, and I don't suspect we'll see Snoke in this fashion for that reason. What I'm getting at is that Kylo Ren could have nightmares about his past treatment at Snoke's hand (as The Last Jedi did seem to suggest that Snoke abused Ben Solo while teaching him about the Dark Side), or Kylo Ren could hallucinate him to highlight his deteriorating mental and emotional stability. This way, Snoke would still have a presence in the story in spite of being dead, and in some respects it would give him more of a parallel to his grandfather circa Revenge of the Sith.



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    The last possibility, and perhaps the easiest one to implement, is to reveal that Snoke left messages via hologram that either the First Order, the Resistance, or some other major third party come across that factors into the plot in some way. This element is probably the easiest to justify in-narrative, even though both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi have clearly shown that flashbacks are no longer off-limits for Star Wars.



    Serkis previously told Slashfilm that he wouldn't rule out the possibility that he could play Snoke again after the character's demise:
    Again, bear in mind that the scheduling conflict does not necessarily mean that he's in Episode IX, as he could be needed for something else altogether. But in any case, I don't think we should suspect Andy Serkis or J. J. Abrams to come forward and reveal if Serkis filmed a cameo in Episode IX for quite some time, so for now we should just look at this as an interesting possibility to consider.



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    He's a performance capture artist. He doesn't have to play Snoke.
     
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    Hmm, I don't know. If Snoke is to appear in IX, I would expect it to be a very small role (hologram, vision, flashback, whatever). And usually there are ways to film such small parts later in the process. Take Maul for example.

    But then there's the possibility that even if that is something small, they're treating it super seriously and are indeed bringing Serkis back, because they can. :p It's possible. After all, his role in TFA was arguably tiny but still was a part of the main shoot, I guess.
     
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    There is also the looming speculation that snoke appears to kylo and rey the same way luke does at the end of the movie as a force hologram. The difference is snoke survives.
     
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    I really hope it's not for Snoke.
     
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    Smokes Twin Brother :D

    But seriously as was mentioned above he is a expert at Motion Capturing so LFL could / should hire him for any motion capture work they need in EspIX.
    Also he could be playing a small minor character for either the Resistance or First Order in a similar way he played the cook in King Kong.
     
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    Snoke should stay dead. His role should either be limited at a flashback or maybe he's haunting Ren (as a voice) in his dreams.
     
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    Snoke coming back makes sense. Where else do you go with the story? If Ren is the villain it’ll just end with either Rey and Ren fighting then Rey wins. Or Kylo Ren is redeemed.

    Bringing Snoke back as a force spirit or something would expand upon the mythology and make sense of what the point of this sequel trilogy is.

    Using just flashbacks would be unsatisfying unless it involved or affected the present narrative.

    Context and strong world building go a long way to making people care. No one cared if he was Plagueis or not, it’s all about execution. If Snoke was a random force user, where they explained it through brief expositions and he had a previous encounter with Luke, that would make sense. But Snoke with no clear explanation as to why he’s so evil? Bad.

    Besides, Snoke is just darn too attractive.
     
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    I mean, I'm all for more Snoke, but Serkis really gets around a lot.

    It's definitely not even for sure that this is for Star Wars, much less that it's anything Snoke related.

    But we can dream!
     
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    One thing I didn't consider when I wrote this article is that Andy Serkis could hypothetically have been needed for Avengers 4, which is undergoing reshoots from now until the end of the year to accommodate for everyone's schedules. He plays Ulysses Klaue in those movies.
     
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    Klaus is killed off in BP
    Now with all the supposed time trave they could meet up with a younger Klaue but I’m not sure how that would tie in he is a small scale villain compared to Thanos.
     
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    Or, again, he could hypothetically be playing any other random CGI- entity.
     
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    Snoke is/was a Lich. Anakin, Luke, Kylo and now Rey we’re all looked at to be Phylactories for a Powerful dark spider to gain imortallity through licking very powerful Force Sensitives.

    Snoke is alive although that may not be his real name.
     
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