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Andy Serkis:Possible Snoke's return in episode IX.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by McDiarmid, Jan 31, 2018.

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Would you like if true Snoke himself was actually not killed in ep VIII.

This poll will close on Mar 18, 2020 at 8:56 PM.
  1. I would love it, Snoke's death was all to easy.

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  2. I will not like it, he is killed,Kylo is main villain.

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    Just give some flashback or dump some exposition as to who Snoke was, where did he come from (we know he wasn't with the FO originally) and what did he want. And let Kylo Ren be the main villain.
    If JJ starts to retcon TLJ, resurrect Snoke, Luke and bring back Rey's parents, it would damage ST beyond repair. Just focus.
     
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    Posted this elsewhere, but I think it belongs here too
    Would showing Maul as still alive after being cut in half be a way to show the casual movie goer (the people with no knowledge of the animated series') that being cut in half doesn't necessarily kill you?

    Could this be the foreshadowing of the return of Snoke in IX?
     
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    Not really. Ron Howard just wanted the Qi'ra's boss to be Maul, that's it.
    Besides, Maul could be brought back because he fell into a pit and nobody was able to immedeately recover his body, while Snoke's body was left where Kylo Ren could ensure his demise. If Snoke would ever come back (and I'd rather he didn't), it would be some other way.
     
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    Showing Maul or any deceased character would only matter if the current story is set after they were killed in the first place. Like now if they showed Vadar in a film but in a time set prior to ROTJ then it is not meant to be taken the character is being brought back just from a time when they WERE still alive. What is the case with Maul?
     
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    NO BUT I DONT MIND SPOILERS THOUGH
     
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    They could make Snoke's return work inside the Star Wars universe but I don't think the people in charge of Lucasfilm will allow that to happen. I think Rian and Kathleen have made their decision and JJ will respect that but if Snoke does indeed return it would be a plot twist similar to "No Luke, I am your father"
     
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    I remember reading how snoke is supposed to be some sort of an ultra powerful FS and was in luke and all's mind for a long time and was manipulating them so it could maybe be cool if he could inhabit another body as a force spirit
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    I personally would like to see him back as a force Ghost.

    That way you could keep Kylo as the main villian explain a bit of Snokes backstory to make the set up for the trilogy make a bit more sense plus it would be cool to see an evil force ghost as we have never seen that!
     
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    It wouldn't surprise me at all if Snoke returned in the next movie. It also wouldn't surprise me at all if Rey's parents were revealed to be, someone we know. Prior to Last Jedi, when all of the theorizing was in full gear, the question was, if Snoke is Plagueis, if Rey's parents are Han and Leia, or Luke, how do you surprise people with the revelation, when that idea is already strongly rooted in their thoughts as being true? I answered this by thinking: simple. You first reveal false information. Show the people something, tell them something, and they will believe it. People have a tendancy to immediately accept what they see and hear as being true. Then, after they have accepted the false, you reveal the true, and everyone is surprised by what they once thought true, but then were convinced was false.

    So when I walked out of Last Jedi, I thought to myself, now everyone is primed. They've all taken the bait. Now comes the switch. First we dash your hope. Then we bring it back and the response is magnified. Remember that a great number of people thought Snoke was Plagueis, and Plagueis only mention in the movie was that he was able to find what? A way to cheat death. So you look through this thread and what do you see? People will post pictures of Snoke, lying there dead as a doornail. You can see it with your eyes. But remember what Kenobi said to Luke? Don't trust your eyes, they can deceive you.

    You think about Rey's parents and, they must be nobodys. Why? We heard it with our ears. I can say that I personally could flip everything around with narrative ease in episode 9. And if I could do it, I've no doubt the writers could do this. Will they? It remains to be seen. I would not be surprised is Rian Johnson's movie is specifically designed to subvert expectations for a reason. I have read that Simon Pegg stated that when JJ Abrams wrote episode 7, he did have specific lineage in mind for Rey. There are seeds sown in episode 7 and I can't imagine he can allow those seeds to remain, unsprouted. How can you plant seeds and not sprout them? So, I am not at all buying anything I saw or heard in episode 8 as any kind of final word on the matter.

    One thing always on my mind these days (not just in movies, but in almost everything) is that people have, let's call it a somewhat, problematic, manner of judging things before all of the information has been brought to light. Everyone making judgments based on incomplete information. I think this is one of the root ills of our society.

    But let me say that if Rey really is a "nobody" then I'm fine with that. If Snoke really is dead, then I'm fine with that. If Luke doesn't return as a force ghost to explain why Rey "couldn't handle the truth", I'm fine with that. I don't base my reaction to a story on the things I "want" it to be anymore than I would judge my kids on what I "want" them to be, instead of by what they are. I should hope that everyone can put aside what they "want" and examine things the way they "are" should things not be, what they expect.

    At any rate, the point of this being; it's not over yet. There's more to come. And things, are not always as they seem. A wise man once said: nothing is what you think it is.
     
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    I don't know if it's a good idea to make Ep IX fixing all the unanswered things of this ST like jumping back to ep VII.
     
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    Ha! I finally understand why some people like Snoke so much and want him to return. Not because Snoke is a great villain or anything. Snoke in TFA is a blank slate, JJs Mystery box, a nobody. Soo, people can come up with whatever theory they want, make Snoke whatever they want and hope that Snoke is that (like Plaguis). RJ took that blank slate and drew a red herring and an obstacle for Kylo Ren's character development. That's disappointing if you thought the Snoke was somebody else, but the thing is - he never was anything else.
    So yeah, Ep.IX can go without Snoke just fine. Just give me some book or a comic about the secret history of the First Order (post A:EE) and that's it.
     
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    The thing about Snoke is this... I don't care about Snoke. I don't care who he is, was, and where he came from. To me, the character itself has always been irrelevant, or they would have given him a backstory already.

    What you should really be looking at... if you're sitting at #6 is... where does this story go? Where in the story are we?

    Did 6 climax the story, and these 3 episodes are basically denouement to that climax? To me, that would be depressing. It also goes against their stated intentions, which is to 'pass the torch'. Denouement isn't a passing of the torch, its snuffing it out. Here is how everyone ended up as a result of the climax! Luke became a crazy old man before committing suicide. Kylo(Han and Leia's son) ran off with Snoke and founded TFO, which may or may not take over the galaxy by the end of 9, oh and Kylo found love in all the wrong places to ensure the Skywalker line would live on. That's what we're heading towards? Depressing.

    And I do believe this should have an end. The worst thing you can do is make the Saga some open-ended narrative, where its a catch all for every bad idea Lucasfilm can dream up. You can only run the hero arc so many times and water the Skywalkers down to where its just pointless. Even if Reylo gets together to pump out a litter of Jedi younglings, its pointless.. because then you're back to having two of them square off in a battle of light vs dark the next time The Mouse needs a cash infusion. Which is why it should end!

    So if its not the denouement, could 6 be written to represent the middle of the story? If the answer is yes, then there is one... and exactly one... primary antagonist at play here. And it aint Plagueis. And it aint Snoke. Its Palpatine/Sideous. He's your quarterback for the story. Always has been, always will be. If you're going to extend the story, then he did not fully die at Death Star Duece. In the same way that Maul somehow didn't die on Naboo. He has to be brought back. In order to do this, simply graft on the splitting of spirit from the body(similar to Dark Empire) and apply it to The Sith. When Palpatine took the dive, it split the spirit of Sideous from the body of Palpatine. We even can see that 'spirit' leave the body in Return of the Jedi. Now grab your nearest Horcrux, wave your hands in the air a bit, and then tie that to the Emperor's Royal Guard. They kept the spirit of Sideous tethered to reality, long enough to get it in a new body.

    Now the ST is about how Sideous, having lost his body, went on a 30 year journey to find a new one while exacting his revenge upon the Skywalkers. You could even say he was in Snoke for a time IDC.

    The endgame here for the ST is that he has to end up taking over Ben Solo, suppressing his personality and essentially killing him in the process. This is directly similar to the Man In Black taking over and presenting himself as John Locke in Season 6 of LOST. Body of someone we know, someone else driving the car.

    And Rey has to have caused it. And when it happens, and when Sideous takes over Ren, there can be no half-pregnant measures. He has to tear her apart and almost kill her. She needs to sustain as much, if not more damage, both physically and mentally, then Anakin did at the end of 3. It needs to be brutal. She needs to get driven low, so that the audience in 10-12 can see how she overcomes it to become the big hero... rather than the a-hole villain Anakin(her father) became.

    That then provides two sides of a coin in this story of morality while sustaining a devastating loss. A guy who ended up going deeper into Darkness to become the greatest Villain the Galaxy ever knew, and a Girl who overcame that loss to become the Greatest Hero the Galaxy ever knew.

    *THAT* IS STAR WARS.
    The rest, with movies about whatever is just window dressing.
     
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    I'd rather have a stable minded force user be in charge.
     
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    1000x this! i desperately want to see all the inner workings of the FO.
    the Phasma book was almost like a bad fanfict (Hux and that robe and that ice-blue couch--honestly!
    the more i think about it, the more ridiculous it is). : o p

    i want some serious insight into what's left of Rax's original plan in the FO?
    what happened to Sloane?
    how did Armitty wind up in his position?
    when did Kylo Ren join this menagerie?

    so much fun stuff to delve into!

    and you can have all the greasy fishy-eyed Snoke that you want on the side. : D
     
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    *i agree with you a million % !


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    I kinda hope that Snoke is Plagueis and I kinda don’t. It would, however, tie the trilogies neatly together. Palpatines monologue is one of the best things in all of the SW movies, imho.

    I just hope they don’t bring back Phasma a third time where we’d be speculating: this time she’s gonna be a badass - but she ends up shooting herself while cleaning her gun, or something.
     
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    Cool thing. Ron Howard musta watched the animated series which I like. Hope he makes more SW.
    --- Double Post Merged, Aug 14, 2019 at 12:14 PM, Original Post Date: Aug 14, 2019 at 12:11 PM ---
    I think Palpatine sensed his future self trapped in the unknown regions but did not know it was him. Rey/ Shmi will travel back in time and trap him out there and give birth to Anakin. Palpatine preserved Plaguis corpsewhen he killed him for use later.

    First order eventually found Palpatine and he reanimated Plaguis Corpse with dark side powers.

    Palpatine wanted Anakin to be his new body but when OB1 cut him down, Anakin lost medichloririans so was only useful as powerful apprentice. Smoke is Plaguis AND Palpatine. The ring held Plaguis essence too.

    Rey and Kylo will go to past with Palpatine and trap him there and Palms will be stuck in time loop.
     
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    He'll probably appear in a flashback. I don't think JJ will want to put us through a ''how did he survive the throne battle''
     
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