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ANH Death Star Assault

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Lock_S_Foils, Feb 16, 2018.

  1. Lt. Hija

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    I would like to re-edit my previous post as it turns out that the Prop Store image is authentic, i.e. while most pyramidal turbo-laser towers were converted into deflection towers, Luke's first attack on the Death Star surface reveals at least two pyramidal turbo-laser powers faintly visible in the background:

    star-wars4-movie-screencaps_com-12567.jpg

    And here is a rare image (from the recent and second Japanese Star Wars Chronicles) that shows the original Death Star trench set before the pyramidal turbo-laser powers were converted into deflection towers:

    ANH Death Star trench with turbo-laser detail.jpg

    That was part of a recent discussion in the other message board. I was reminded of one important sentence by General Dodonna during the Alliance briefing: "The battle station is heavily shielded..."

    I think it's reasonable to assume that the Death Star had his own deflector shields to prevent capital ships from devastating its surface. The Alliance fighters probably slipped through gaps between these shields ("The Empire doesn't consider a small one-man fighter to be any threat, or they'd have a tighter defense.").



    3:26: "There's a lot of [turbo-laser] fire coming from the right side of that deflection tower."

    Next we see Biggs and Porkins go for that area, but apparently they target the deflection tower and not the turbo-laser to the right. However, the source of fire is obviously not the deflection tower itself. ;)

    And although I think I solved the aforementioned ANH turbo-laser tower riddle another one presented itself. Star Wars Chronicles 2 also features what the editors claim to be a "small" ANH turbo-laser tower model (in addition to the small 'obelisk' tower seen several times in the film):

    supposedly small ANH turbo-laser tower (SW Chronicles 2).jpg

    I'll buy the person that finds it in ANH a drink. Its proportions remind me rather of the 'obelisk' towers designed for the second Death Star (see Prop Store image), add to this that the above illustrated VFX model featured a gear drive to turn the gun turret (something we did see in ROJ close to the 'Emperor's Tower' but not in ANH). :confused:

    ANH turbolaser size (corrected text).jpg
     
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    Looks as if I don't have to buy anybody a drink, as I just found out that the turbo-laser tower I illustrated last was featured in ROJ. What's the story?

    Death Star II surface VFX detail Edlund 50p.jpg

    In this image you can see the Death Star II surface detail set built for the scene where the fighters and the Falcon race across the surface before entering the battle station. If you look closely, you can see that all the turbo-laser towers are merely facades! (apparently this is only the setup for a test-shot to see if the camera would collide with objects - as it did in ANH - or not)

    Watching the film with that image in mind I thought at first that they only put turbo-laser gun turrets on top of these facades but fortunately another image in SW Chronicles 2 clearly reveals that for the final set and prior to filming these facades were replaced by real and 'full' VFX models, including this enigmatic turbo-laser tower I inserted last in my previous post.
     
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    I'm afraid I have to correct myself again, as there is no solid evidence that towers other than facades were placed on the DS II VFX model surface. Here is a bird's eye view of the set close to the entry structure into the second Death Star:

    Death Star II VFX surface detail close to opening.jpg

    In the upper right part you can spot the facades. In the upper left part we see can see at least two towers with turbo-laser gun turrets on top. In the meantime I found another close-up shot and it would appear that 'full' miniature gun-turrets were just placed on top of these facades (hence the erroneous impression that a 'full' VFX tower model had been used). :oops:
     
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    That was quite some research and compilation work but I'm delighted to be able to present what's probably the first time ever overview of ALL the small turbo-laser gun towers in the OT with the accurate VFX model dimensions and their sizes "in-universe"

    Complete overview of small turbo-laser gun towers used in ANh and ROJ.jpg
     
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    OK....hold on....let me catch my breath @Lt. Hija !!! ..... just got done reading all of your updates here. First, I think I wore out my "Great Post" button....Second, I have now created a separate "Lt. Hija" folder in my downloads for all of your great stuff! Thanks
     
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    Thank you! But I just realized that the visualization is too large to be readable. I'll try the center section but if it's still not good enough, send me a PM and we'll take it from there.

    small turbo-laser gun towers VFX model size comparison.jpg
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 19, 2018, Original Post Date: Mar 19, 2018 ---
    Back to the first post I just wanted to add that a lot of people in the media didn't know how they accomplished that shot. I think it's safe to say that George Lucas deliberately kept it a secret, because - it wasn't until 2016 that Ralph McQuarrie's painstaking matte painting had ever been illustrated before!

    McQuarrie Art trench painting.jpg

    (BTW, Star Wars Art: Ralph McQuarrie has dropped in price over the past two years, his matte paintings he did for ANH are simply astonishing!)

    star-wars4-movie-screencaps.com-12919.jpg

    Ralph McQuarrie matte painting

    star-wars4-movie-screencaps.com-12921.jpg

    still the matte painting (with added laserblast animation)

    star-wars4-movie-screencaps.com-12923.jpg

    still the matte painting, now followed by a blinding laserblast that hides the editing transition to

    star-wars4-movie-screencaps.com-12924.jpg

    the physical and "3D" model version of the exhaust port trench...

    It may look like easy CGI nowadays, but back in late 1976 this was a milestone in VFX accomplishment. :)
     
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    No. Every living being in the galaxy has "life force" because of the midichlorians in said beings. Force sensitives have a higher count compared to others.
     
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    Context is a wonderful thing.
    The cartoon penguin suggesting there is nothing to see here is a sure fire sign of a serious post.

    Sorry sarcasm.
    It was a joke.
     
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    @Lt. Hija Incredible insight to one of my favorite SW scenes of all time. Thanks so much. I had no idea about McQuarrie's matte paintings.....love the transition to the actual model. To think this was done 40+ years ago is amazing. This scene holds up so well with modern CGI!
     
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    Watch these videos and be amazed at where George Lucas got the idea for the Trench Run scene from....

    The Dam Busters (Trailer)


    Now imagine the Dam Busters soundtrack on the Star Wars film....


    And now the other way around....
     
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    Thanks @SKB I had seen these before....do I detect a negative vibe in your post?
     
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    Nooooo. I have always known that George Lucas was inspired by old WWII films, he has freely admitted it too. Scenes in The Dam Busters (and other films) were even used to fill in for action scenes in early cuts of Star Wars that had not been filmed before the film had been completed.

    Here's another. 633 Squadron "fjord run" and Star Wars trench run


    The Battle Of Endor vs The Battle Of Britain
     
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    I actually prefer 633 Squadron to Dambuster & always felt that 633 Squadron was a much closer match to the Trench Run scene as it was flying down a narrow fjord towards a hard to hit target rather then over a large expanse of water towards a rather large target.

    But to try and stay on target I also want to say what a fantastic thread this is @Lt. Hija
     
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    Sorry, I'm an autistic sith lord.
     
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    But I'm not the one who started it. ;)

    While I'm well aware of the "official" inspirations for the trench run in ANH, I can't help to point out that there had been another film from 1976 (!) that is hardly ever mentioned:

    [​IMG]

    Seeing Gold Squadron going down in ANH reminded me a lot of the ill-fated Devastator (sic) bombers, how Ensign Gay got shoi down but survived was very reminscent of Luke's snowspeeder crash in ESB and last but not least Midway featured a Kamikaze attack on the bridge of an aircraft carrier (which never happened during the actual battle).
     
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    @Lt. Hija Wow you are a Midway fan too....yep one of my most favorite Pacific war movies of all time. Ensign George Gay , Torpedo-8 of the USS Hornet. All of the squadrons from the Enterprise were -6 (Fighting-6, Bombing-6, Torpedo-6), Yorktown's were -5 and Hornet's were -8. That movie came out in 1976....so when they talked Red-5 and Gold Leader, etc, in SW I immediately thought of how the squadrons were named in Midway.

    As a kid I read and re-read Walter Lord's "Incredible Victory" over and over again - the best book on Midway in my opinion. I also had all the main pilot's names memorized from Midway and what their call sign was.....yeah I was into this as a kid!! Still am, I am getting stoked typing this now.....
     
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    I do have a pet theory why MIdway had never been indicated as an 'inspiration' by the official sources. It was distributed by Universal Pictures.

    Now, Universal Studios released Battlestar Galactica in 1978, George Lucas was not amused (he received letters of people disliking BSG who erroneously thought he had been affiliated with BSG) and the whole thing escalated to a lawsuit:

    In 1978, 20th Century Fox sued Universal Studios (producers of Battlestar Galactica) for plagiarism, copyright infringement, unfair competition, and Lanham Act claims,[3] claiming it had stolen 34 distinct ideas from Star Wars.[4] Universal promptly countersued, claiming Star Wars had stolen ideas from their 1972 film Silent Running,[5] notably the robot "drones", and the Buck Rogers serials of the 1930s.[citation needed] 20th Century Fox's copyright claims were initially dismissed by the trial court in 1980,[6] but the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit remanded the case for trial in 1983.[7] It was later "resolved without trial".[8]

    IMHO, it's not surprising that Midway was never mentioned... ;)
     
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    Agreed that was a great battle, 5 mins unimaginable destruction changed the course of the Pacific War & one proton torpedo guided by the force took a major weapon off the imperials table.
     
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