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RUMOR Another report of what Colin Trevorrow's IX would have been like.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Andrew Waples, Jan 14, 2020.

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    I'm fairly positive that Matt Martin has commented on Lucasfilm employees coming back from their holiday break in January 2017, mourning Carrie, and then going headlong into the process of figuring out how to respond to her death in regards to Episode 9, and Kathleen Kennedy, as noted, also stated that they discarded their existing plans for Episode 9 and started over from square one.
     
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    The Matrix Revolutions introduced an idea like this, that the whole system is just automatically self-balancing - and quite frankly, this kind of killed the franchise for me.

    If everything just balances automatically, then you have removed the aspect of personal decisions and personal responsibility, which is key to character development. If everything just fixes itself anyway, there is no one to root for. And worst of all, the only endgame is oblivion.

    There’s a lot of great info here and some things I like, but I definitely have some concerns about it too.

    For me, the title makes no sense. Duel of the Fates was an awesome name for an awesome piece of music in TPM. Recycling it as an episode name is, well, not awesome.
     
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    Some concept arts of Colin Treverrow's 'Duel Of The Fates' got leaked:



    My personal favorites:

    Coruscant looking very interesting:
    C1eKUIv.jpg d8MTqpP.jpg


    Execution of a Rebel by Captain Phasma (?):
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    Hux's Samurai like death:
    YsUaHaE.jpg

    Luke catching Kylo's lightsaber with his hand:
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    These concept arts were released/leaked today. Colin debunking something is several days old. Furthermore Colin was referring to the TROS concept art book. You won't find any arts for his movie in that book. So yes, they are legit. Probably...
     
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    As mentioned in the post above- they won't be featured in the TROS concept art book. Only JJ stuff.
     
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    More reasons to be bummed out by what we got.

    Some of these look phenomenal. New/fresh and star warsy.


    And the idea of the saga ending with a Leia hologram? It is meaningful and more original than destroying yet another super weapon (fleet).

    They should have digitally re-recreated her for this.

    And Finn leading a rebellion? Luke's ghost haunting Kylo?

    There are issues with Colin's version, but they should not have scrapped it. They should have reworked it, made the sith master Palpatine (or something), etc.


    And even little things visually show how robbed we were with JJ as director. He just isn't original at all. Even visually. Desert planets, same outfits, just use red glue for the mask, same saber, etc.

    When you think about ESB- one of the cool things about it is that it is completely different from ANH. It made the galaxy feel big and diverse.

    Even the prequels introduced new planets and fresh ideas.


    TLJ at least gave us Crait and the casino planet.


    JJ is really, really not good at his job other than casting. He's producer, not an artist.
     
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    They were never going to digitally recreate her. Plus, keep in mind this is before Fisher passed. To be fair, this is all just concept art. It's just an idea, so saying "oh what if" when it was just to get what the tone of something is. Just because there is concept art out there doesn't mean it was supposed to be in the film. There's dozens of concept art on TFA and TLJ that didn't make the cut or are completely different story ideas that didn't make it. There is also a reason why it got cut. Either it was to complicated, to expensive, or just simply to much. They didn't just cut it from the film all willy nilly. In CT's case he was fired and Fisher passed away and I guess the two had different ideas on how to use her appropriately. Thus that probably changed the whole movie.
     
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    The Trevorrow leaks look pretty awesome, but I can't help but be kinda frustrated that they exist.

    I feel like it's gonna be just like the canon split from 2013- not only will fans pick what they prefer (which in itself is totally fine) but there'll be never ending fights about what's better or more valid.

    It's all Star Wars, and even these concept art and script leaks can give us something to enjoy... but we don't need to get angry about these things.
     
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    "Recency" is not an actual indicator of origin, so claiming that these new images are specifically based on Colin's draft script solely because they're brand-new doesn't really hold water.
     
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    Laughs in Prequel Trilogy.


    14 years ago, the internet burned while the ROTS Novelization was slowly leaked.... after the movie, there were many who believed the original script and the novel were both better than the finished film. CT purists & OT Devotees were quick to smash everything, just because. So these never ending fights are nothing new.


    SAUCE: I was one of the novel leakers and as a former TFN Mod, I know firsthand how it all went down.
     
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    Colin tweeted this:


    The concept arts are indeed legit, so is DOTF then.
     
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    Yes I've always said Abrams is a businessman ahead of being a director or writer. For better or worse - or both.
     
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    YES. SO MUCH YES!

    I just said something similar!



    "Ride the Tide"

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    Thanks for that clarification.

    Regardless, this stuff was discarded in January of 2017, and so it really has no relevance except as a bit of esoteric trivia.
     
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    It just confirms that they was no real outline for this trilogy. Colin's version - on which he had worked on for at least 2 years - is quite different to the actual EPIX.
     
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    Which, alas, creates a ST that is less than it's actual potential.

    I am happy for those who adore Episode IX and have met people who consider it the best Star Wars since '83. I am jealous of all of you. I want to like this film.

    I...just...cannot...endorse what happened. This news makes me sad. It was if the brand became so frightened of itself, so risk averse that it became desperate. Weird considering the brand is the largest in cinematic history. Yet somehow the brand acts like it has no confidence or self-esteem.

    I am not sure Colin's version would be better, but I'm fairly confident in saying that I believe if they had stuck with one director and one vision for the entire trilogy and mapped out their plan/arc for the trilogy before filming Episode 7, we would have gotten a better trilogy and the box office would have been even better than what it was for all three films.

    Again, very happy for those who love the ST. This is not bitterness, just lament really, that somehow I cannot get any emotional resonance or connection to the conclusion of a story I've been following since 1977.
     
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    And your point is what, exactly?

    Letting each individual director/writer/writing team independently determine the scope of their story is a perfectly valid choice.

    And, again, Colin's stuff was thrown out in January of 2017 and he was tasked with rewriting the story from scratch, which he was never able to do.

    If anything, the confirmation that this stuff is legit only underscores the point that this film probably wouldn't have actually been made even if Carrie hadn't passed away because it wouldn't have taken much to rework what he'd done to work around her passing, and yet all of this stuff was discarded in its entirety a little less than a month after she died.
     
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