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Any Lord of the Rings fans?

Discussion in 'Random Discussion' started by Kylo Solo, Feb 14, 2017.

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Which LotR is your favorite?

  1. Fellowship of the Ring

    41 vote(s)
    47.7%
  2. The Two Towers

    21 vote(s)
    24.4%
  3. Return of the King

    24 vote(s)
    27.9%
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    I am guessing that there is still a warehouse full of props that were built for the film adaptations and that these will be used to help lend and air of authenticity to the series as well as help with costs.

    In the appendices to the books there are references to Aragorn's earlier life and exploits, and that would be fertile ground for the series.
     
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    Yes, passionate LOTR fan....spent many an hour several years ago on LOTR forums arguing book vs movies.....
     
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    @GingerByte Do you happen to know if the events of the Second Age are considered part of the Silmarillion? Now there could be an epic trilogy.....just imagine The Last Alliance and the Siege of Barad-Dur onscreen......we saw a snippet of it in PJ's LOTR. Battle of Pelennor Fields was a minor skirmish compared to The Last Alliance......250,000+ Elves and Numenoreans.....

    I find the story of the 2nd Age extremely compelling, even more so than the 3rd Age. If done right it could be incredible....
     
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    No, I don't think so. Basically any story in the book is off limits, unless some new deal was made.
     
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    The second age is definitely covered in the Silmarillion and is a part of that work.

    Unless the content is included in LotR or the appendices PJ doesn’t have the rights to do it.

    As much as I would love to see something from the Silmarillion on the silver screen I honestly hope that PJ is not involved. The LotR trilogy was fine, but those hobbit films were atrocious.
     
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    I thought the Sil ended at the Final Battle where Melkor was defeated by the Valar.....oh wait the last 20 pages or so are about the 2nd Age....gotta get the Tolkien estate to sell the rights to the Sil somehow
     
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    the banishment of Morgoth essentially triggers the end of the First age and the beginning of the Second.

    The Silmarillion covers events up to the end of the Third age, but after the Second age wraps up the narrative is condensed and concise.

    I can't think of any other book that Tolkien wrote that goes more into the Second age than the Silmarillion.

    as for movie rights, who knows if that'll ever happen. i'm not even sure what they would focus on; with all the quasi-religious overtones i'm not sure it would land with some audiences. besides, i think i remember reading that the Tolkien estate wasn't happy with the way PJ handled some things and are looking to limit any future films.
     
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    The Tolkein estate was unhappy with every film, not just PJ and the Hobbit films. The current people in charge are the ones who were against selling the rights in the first place. However the guy in charge at the time (can't remember his name) sold the rights anyway. So they're currently grinding their teeth and being forced to honour old contracts.

    Basically, they're going to dislike whatever is created out of spite.
     
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    i'm not trying to hate on PJ's work, but as a long time and hardcore fan of the series, i never really liked them either...

    it'll always be the case that someone doesn't like an adaptation, and for what it's worth the LotR trilogy does have some great moments. the hobbit trilogy, however... well... :confused:

    it's hard to imagine what a script to something from the Silmarillion would look like. i'd assume they'd take parts of the book, like the Tale of Beren and Luthien, or Turin Turambar, and flesh those out into 90+ min stories. all the stuff about the Valar would feel more like exposition than anything; those characters are all pretty one dimensional, excepting Melkor i suppose.
     
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    response to op, YES!
     
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    welcome!
     
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    Actually from what I understand what happened is this:
    J.R.R. Tolkien never had a problem with the idea of adaptations and sold the film rights to LotR and The Hobbit in the 60s (either to Saul Zaentz or to someone else, not sure). Television was not part of the deal, likely because it was a newer and less considered medium. The film rights were sold for relatively little compared to what they would be sold for today, which is one thing that the estate has regretted. Then in the 70s Tolkien died and his son Christopher Tolkien became executor of the estate and of his works (and so started on The Silmarillion and History of Middle-earth, etc.).

    Christopher has put decades of work into making his father's vision more realized and accessible and is naturally quite attached to it. He personally never approved of adaptations (particularly after the animated versions) but with feature films around the two principal works his hands have been tied. He made his displeasure for the PJ versions well-known at the time, and it has generally been believed that anything based around the Silmarillion or any other supplemental material, or anything outside of the film medium which people already have access to wouldn't be up for sale until his death.

    He's in his nineties now and recently (withinin the past year) stepped down as executor, and other people at the estate and in the family are more receptive to the idea of adaptations. I'm sure he stepped down being aware of this. Anyway they made a new deal for television rights, thus creating access to a new medium (though maybe not for all material; I believe it's still only LotR and The Hobbit though don't quote me on that). This isn't something based off of some long-past deal that they have to put up with like in the case of the films. This is new people being more willing to work with filmmakers on new projects.

    Hope that clears everything up for you.:)

    And ditto to my TFN comrade!
     
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    Ooooh, I love that! AoE III is a great game on its own, and as a huge Third Age: Total War fan I know what these kinds of things are capable of. Will have to watch it with interest.
     
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    I would like your post Mr. Zap, but alas
     
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    I know i shouldnt admit this on a Star Wars forum but "the Fellowsip of the Ring" is my favourite film ever made.
     
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    Well it is a great film & the soundtrack oh boy that soundtrack is just amazing it just fits into the landscape & enriched the whol film.
     
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