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SPECULATION Are we going to see a massacre of the resistance like order 66?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by LarsSkywalker, Jul 5, 2016.

  1. LarsSkywalker

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    In terms of scale I mean?

    Looking back at TFA, Leia had quite a lot
    of people working for her on D'Qar.

    If only a hand full are rumored to survive on 1 ship, that's quite a bit of losses.
     
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    We keep hearing from several cast members that VIII is going to be dark, very dark.
    I'm 100% certain, the First Order will defeat the Resistance in a tremendous way. So, the fall of the Resistance will give us this dark tone. Will it be in the same scale like Order 66? I don't think so but the Resistance has to brace itself for losses.
     
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    Hum. I still Snoke will call Order 67 and call his LumberJackTroopers to eliminate all Force Trees...

    Oh Wait, wrong thread (Edit)
     
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    If Episode VIII holds suit, just following the trend of the middle films of the trilogies to this point, I think we should expect a major defeat or series of defeats for the Resistance in the film. I'm not sure of an "Order 66" style defeat (that would mean literally no one left to contend with the First Order), but still one or more that will have great impact on the characters and the Resistance. In a sense they already have suffered defeats with a large portion of the Republic fleet as well as the Republic Senate itself being destroyed. I think a lot of it, and this may be extraneous to the story told in Episode VIII, but a lot of it will be systems choosing sides voluntarily or by force.
     
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    If so...then it would be a very internal thing to the point that it wouldn't be shown up front in my opinion..
     
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    VIII will be dark, with serious resistance setbacks as stated earlier...that's how a three part story goes
    Part I you set up the story and introduce the players
    Part II you put them in an impossible situation
    Part III you get them out of it

    Lots of twists and turns can be made within the formula, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a final scene, even an epilogue, that points toward some hope for the future (EP IX) to take the edge off.

    Probably no massacre though, there will be cannon fodder deaths, but my bet is that Rian will make the tragedy in VIII more personal
     
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    I think we've seen worst already with Starkiller destroying a whole system in Episode 7.

    Episode 8... I think will be darker in a sense where what will be destroyed is HOPE.

    I feel a disturbance in the Force:

    - The destruction of a potential coherence between the Resistance and the Republic.
    - Rey being tempted by the Darkside
    - Luke being put back to face his destiny somehow
     
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    While all will seem lost there will still be a small glimmer of hope. Something that will carry is into IX. Even in ESB, after Luke traumatized by the truth about his father and without a hand and Han frozen in carbonite on his way to possible death at the hands of Jabba, we were still left with the small feeling that everything will be ok. I suspect we will get something similar. Our heroes will be defeated and challenged but in the end we will leave the theater with the feeling it will be alright in the end.
     
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    There is not going to be a legit Order 66 again. I do believe that the Resistance is going to get even more hurt in this movie....that's why I keep saying it is downright impossible for TFO to lose. Starkiller blew up their capital and destroyed half their fleet, if they get their fleet even more damaged it won't look good.
    I think if Disney were too bring Rey to the Darkside they would have Kylo redeemed on the light side.
    What do you guys think?
     
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    The order 66 was a onetime action I doubt the first order have such a card to play but then again we didn't expect a planet could be turned into a superweapon.
     
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    The Republic fleet was wiped out in TFA. Much of the Resistance force was consumed defeating the Starkiller base.

    The First Order is more of an invading force than the Empire. The Empire was actually created through the democratic process. So I can see a scenario where the First Order dominates the Resistance, but the First Order's grip on the galaxy would be a lot more difficult than the Empire. Which means that if Snoke and the leadership fall then the entire First Order would dissolve. The First Order would implode a lot easier than the old Empire.

    In the end the 2nd New Republic would be in a far better position politically. The Empire sympathizers would have lost and the Republic can go forward in peace.
     
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    I'm not so sure there is a functioning republic anymore...

    Most systems would have had their elected representatives, and their staff, and the career functionaries, et all killed.

    The Republic would exist in name only for the most part. Yes there would have been some portion of the fleet that survived as well as a few off world senators, but they wouldn't have any real authority. I think of it this way, what if DC was hit with something awful during the state of the union address. There would still be some ships at sea, diplomats stationed overseas, etc. But for your average small town American (the individual systems spread throughout the galaxy) the government would exist in name only.

    "When the Health and Human Services building blew up along with the treasury, my EBT card stopped working. Local cops are still around but the government ain't nothing but an obnoxious talking head on TV tryin' to tell everybody that they still in charge and everything will be alright in just a little bit."
     
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    I know that a lot of people are saying Episode 8 will be dark, and I hope it is, but I don't think it'll be dark because of lots of deaths. I think there are many forms of darkness. I see it being more of a psychological darkness, traversing the inner struggles of Ren, Rey and Luke. Sure, some characters may die but I'm not expecting (or hoping) for an all out purge.
     
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    I have no idea what "dark" means these days. Star Wars is a children's film. This is a second act of a thee part movie. One would assume that our heroes face the toughest challenge and biggest setback in the second act. That doesn't have to mean people die. In fact, the whole "who is going to die next" has been a pretty cliche part of TV lately. This is especially true in "Walking Dead" and "Game of Thrones." It's not necessary for people to die to convey a challenge.
     
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    Here's what I think about your thoughts on this matter::D
    https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....uld-end-in-your-ideas.9152/page-2#post-255465
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    I don't know about 'children's film' but this movie will be rated PG13.. so if the following passed muster as PG then i'd expect to see some more carnage:
     
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    Very good! I like your idea and theory!
     
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    PG-13 did start until 1984 so that's probably the reason Empire Strikes Back was rated PG.
     
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    Well aware of that. I'm also well aware ESB got edited and re-released in 1997. Whether they regraded the film or not.. I don't know. Irregardless, TFA was at the shallow end of that rating. I want to see the Ocho start wading into the deep end.
     
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    Sincerely, I don't see Episode 8 as a graphic movie... But just mind-trucking. We were exposed to a lot of reference points in 7 (like in A New Hope)... Prepare them to be twisted and baked and reversed and a lot of What-the-Hux moments.
     
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