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EVENT Audience Participation: The Cantina Reacts To Rogue One Trailer #2.

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Pomojema, Jul 9, 2016.

  1. Lord Phanatic

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    Yep. Makes sense.
     
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    the actual new trailer was awesome. I more and more get the impression that Felicity is Rey's mom in terms of how the story is set up and the imagery presented. Jynn running as a child, her hair, how she behaves, how her character contra mirrors Luke and Rey etc. I liked the shot were you see the strange transport shuttle and the star destroyers in the atmosphere. Also the shot with the soldiers running through the planted palm forest was pretty epic. The reel was also great: music was very akin to Thin Red Line mixed with Star Wars. Jordan looks stunning, Iceland as well. Mads looks like a tramp in the new movie. BAZE HAS A BIG GUN. The scene in the gunship with the Alien firing his weapon and screaming made me think of this Full Metal Jacket scene:




    I CUED SO MUCH AT CELEBRATION.
     
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    Looks quite terrible tbh. Another thin white girl who is supposed to be living in a tough environment all her life...but still speaks in a posh Brit accent(lol).

    TFA was terrible, what with the rehashed plot and feminist messages being pounded into your skull...atleast this seems to have an original plot but sadly with the same 'strong woman' garbage..

    You can be sure the males in the movie will be less competent than our 'strong woman'....it's a shame SW has sunk to this...
     
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    Sounds like your issue more than a problem with the story. Silly me, I have been living under the assumption that females possess the same mental faculties as males, and other than biological instances were males present more brute strength, we are all equals. Guess I need to tell my wife she needs to pipe down, take her shoes off, cook me some food, and get back to being pregnant. ;)

    Edit to add: Should probably stop worrying about sticking money into my daughter's college fund since she can never hope to be a leader. Assistants and gophers don't need an education.
     
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    lol calm down. I'm saying it's a huge immersion breaker. I found Daisy's accent very annoying in TFA...it's supposed to be a galaxy far far away...

    As for the rest? The signs for disaster were there in the first trailer itself: the thin chick tossing around five stormtroopers, the cringeworthy, "I rebel" line..

    Do you enjoy that kind of stuff? Sure it's fantasy but still needs some basic realism to be enjoyable....did you also like how male characters were portrayed as weak in TFA?

    By all means have strong female characters like Ripley...not these type of characters acting like a male....
     
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    Not sure I agree that the male characters in TFA were weak, but that's a whole other rabbit hole.

    I just rewatched the trailer, the thin chick doesn't toss anyone around, she hits a stormtrooper with a baton or stick. Looks to me like she is selected for her wits, not her physical prowess. I happen to personally know several very strong women who flat out kick ass: A firefighter, a mountain guide, an ex air force intelligence officer, a ski patrol director who is an avalanche explosives expert. That is all very real and not some feminist agenda or "strong woman garbage."

    The great thing about sci-fi is that it inspires young people and portrays a world where anything is possible. Why is it so hard to buy into a story where women share in leadership roles? There is one woman who is a politician, and another who is a member of a team which is otherwise all male. How is this or TFA pounding feminist messages into our skulls?

    All I have to go on is your post, but I'll say it again, you came across as having seen something that you interpreted in light of your view of the world. I watched the same thing and saw it differently.

    And agreed that Ripley is a great character.
     
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    Firstly welcome to the cantina, secondly I didn't find Daisy's accent annoying, it was clear & precise, I hope Felicity can carry her character through this movie, there were no weak character in either sexes.
     
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    Yeah..., welcome. Always great to hear more negativity.

    Look, I respect everyone's opinion, but leading with "TFA was terrible," isn't going to get you a whole lot of love in a SW fan community. Your reasoning (at least as far as I'm concerned) is worse. How Daisy's accent could have ruined your experience is beyond me, but to each their own I suppose. "Whiny" is the word that comes to my mind when considering your criticisms. But I think it's totally understandable for other forum members to point to and take offense with your attitude towards our new female protagonists, which (again, IMO) have some strong misogynistic undertones.

    Mods, I'm really not trying to incite trouble, but this dude is kind of asking for it.
     
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    I don't like the abandonment of the tried and true elements of space opera that has served SW well for the look and feel of the Vietnam movies of 30-40 years ago. Further: I don't want a SW Battlefront movie. Not particularly enthused with the direction this movie is headed.
     
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    Oh, so frankly stating my views is 'asking for it'? What are you, a thug?

    Don't talk as if I'm the only one who disliked TFA. And I'm not even gonna address the 'misogynistic undertones' comment. Not liking a female character = misogyinist, eh?
     
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    Internet thug to the rescue. I'm calling you out!!

    Come on man, you know as well as the rest of us that you were trolling for some verbal sparring with your comments.

    Like I said previously, I respect everyone's opinion, yours included. But when your first post (unintentionally or not) is condescending and seems to be fishing for negative responses, you really shouldn't act so butt hurt when someone disagrees.

    Again, welcome to the forum.
     
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    I will have to watch Rogue One to form an opinion, but, generally speaking, as much as I understand that Disney wants to make the most money out of SW, I see the anthology movies as distracting and sometimes detrimental to the main SW continuity (meaning the three trilogies).

    Being more specific, a movie for example about how the rebels got hold of the DS plans, I guess, should be a movie about Bothan spies, and not a full-blown action war movie live Rogue One. Besides, why is Jyn Erso saying "May the Force be with us" on the trailer when, at the time when she lived, the Jedi were long forgotten as an old, crazy religion and people (Luke included) didn't even know what the force was ? It doesn't really make sense. On the other hand, as much as I like SW: Rebels and may enjoy Rogue One, it is problematic IMHO to introduce all those "rebellion heroes" prior to ANH and then have them nowhere to be seen in the main OT continuity. High profile protagonists can't just disappear from the universe like that and simply killing them all would be pretty lame.
     
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    One minor nit, the Bothan's stole the plans for the second Death Star.

    "It is a period of civil war. Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire.

    During the battle, Rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire's ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR, an armored space station with enough power to destroy an entire planet.

    Pursued by the Empire's sinister agents, Princess Leia races home aboard her starship, custodian of the stolen plans that can save her people and restore freedom to the galaxy...."

    From what I see, Rogue One looks to be in the spirit of the opening crawl for ANH.
     
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    OK, that makes sense, if Rogue One features the battle the opening crawl above refers to. It remains to be seen if they will make that link in the movie or not.
     
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    :eek:(epic fail)
     
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    I smell trolls here. I guess he would be "taken out" of the other movies with the British and other accents in all the other Star Wars films. It's been that way since 1977.
     
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    WELL THE SPECULATION ON THAT is that her accent is similar to Coruscant accents .
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 21, 2016, Original Post Date: Jul 21, 2016 ---
    Also at times various accents can be attributed to where they were born and raised .
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    I really hope that the opening we saw at Celebration will be the actual opening as "new" as it sounds .
     
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    Says the guy who comes in with, "looks like he's asking for it."

    Looks like you're the one interested in verbal sparring. I think the two trailers were terrible with the cliche` 'strong woman' garbage.

    Don't like that opinion? Ignore it.


    Oh, I'm not butthurt. Just wondered if you were one of those internet thug types who start fights for no reason. Thanks for confirming it.
     
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    I apologize if I hurt your feelings or if you felt that I'm bullying you.

    I'm self-imposing a 3 day, in-school suspension. My mom's going to be so disappointed. She raised me better than this.

    Jokes aside, I promise to ignore your comments going forward. I'll just cover my eyes or something when I see your name.
     
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    This thread is both racist to British people and sexist. The following ethno-racial characteristics return constantly above:

    a. British English is posh, therefore, people argue it is also posh in the star wars galaxy. Whereas it really is an accent that denotes that someone originates from the centre of the universe: where things take place.
    b. Posh people do not usually live in the desert.
    c. People who speak with a posh accent don't have any particular set of skills. You won't see a girl with a posh accent fixing a car, flying a plain and shooting a gun.

    Now it is time to destroy some people:
    The function of Rey speaking in a posh dialect has to do with the narrative framing of her character. Rey is a "displaced" person. She ended up in an environment on the periphery where she doesn't really belong. She was dropped off and abandoned by people who operated in the "centre". Rey seeks belonging and waits for her family, she is anxious to regain her place. In order to emphasize her displacement she speaks in an accent which is markedly different to that of her environment (posh British) which in itself plays into the stereotypes described above. Yet Rey, despite her posh accent and the fact that she comes from the centre, has managed to aquire the skills necessary to survive in the hostile periphery. The only hint left in act 1 and 2 that she is something more than she is, is her posh accent.

    It also tells us something about her genealogy. Apparently Rey had either a single parent who spoke a posh British accent or perhaps even two parents. Obi Wan is an obvious choice, but the timeline would not support that lineage. Rey is presented with all the skywalker tropes, themes and images which would lead one to think that she is indeed a Skywalker. But it takes two to make a baby. The characteristics: a. she is able to fend for herself even though abandoned, and b. she speaks with a posh british accent, lead me to think that Rey's mother is Jynn Erso whose backstory intentionally mirrors but also contrasts that of Rey. Rey speaks posh British because she is displaced like Jynn who is similarly abandoned and displaced.

    The star wars galaxy and the hints pertaining lineage presented in it are always part of a self-contained universe which the audience can understand and grasp when it sees the other films.
     
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