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Back in my day, falling down a bottomless industrial chasm actually meant something...

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Logray Ewok Medicine Man, Oct 10, 2019.

  1. Logray Ewok Medicine Man

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    I'll preface my comments by saying that overall I'm relatively pleased with the "new canon" and the direction that Disney has taken the franchise. That being said, I'm getting a little tired of characters and artifacts being resurrected after falling down bottomless industrial chasms.

    A classic component of the vocabulary of film is the peril of falling over a cliff and dying. That's the reason so many classic adventure films were called "cliffhangers" - heroes were literally hanging on to cliffs to avoid falling in and presumably dying. Countless film villains have met their demise after falling into pits (I obviously don't have room to name all the names, but I'm looking at you, Mola Ram!). Star Wars has successfully used this classic convention of action movies all the time.

    Following the release of Episode III, I believe the franchise is starting to overdo it when it comes to resurrecting characters who have conceivably died or been destroyed falling into bottomless pits.

    It started with the resurrection of Darth Maul. I distinctly remember he was severed at the waist and fell into a bottomless industrial chasm back in 1999. Yet in the "Clone Wars", and then "Solo" we see that he survived. Okay, I'll skeptically buy that. Lucasfilm inverted my expectations with a twist and I got to see more of an interesting character. Fine

    Then, in Episode VII we see the Skywalker lightsaber. I distinctly remember that flying down into a bottomless industrial chasm back in 1980. No explanation, but we're shown that the saber survived and is found. Fair enough - it made for an interesting plot development and connection to the OT.

    Now, Emperor Palpanine is back. What happened to him back in 1983? He was thrown into a bottomless industrial chasm - which apparently didn't kill him (unless we're in for some really big twist in IX).

    Furthermore, we know that Han Solo is back in some form in IX. I hope its either a flashback, apparition, or force ghost of some kind, as I distinctly remember him falling into a bottomless industrial chasm back in 2015.

    All this is to say that I hope we're not expected to believe that someone dies in IX by falling into a bottomless industrial chasm. Given Lucasfilm's recent trend, I will only have to assume that they survive.

    PS: I also am now assuming that all those stormtroopers Leia shot before swinging across the Death Star chasm in IV survived their fall into the bottomless chasm of the Death Star, at least long enough to be killed when Luke blew it up.
     
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    Don't forget Captain Phasma. She went down in a flaming pit.
     
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    And Boba Fett!
     
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    One might argue Boba Fett didn’t fall down an ‘industrial chasm’, but one could perhaps assume the gangster Jabba the Hutt used the Sarlacc on an industrial scale to dispose of enemies in a theatrical manner as part of the industry of being a gangster I guess... :eek::D
     
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    Falling down a hole was always a boring way of closure for me. Okay, maybe I'm only thinking that way because of-
    Kylo falling down a bottomless abyss and dying. That would be the worst outcome for Kylo's character IMO.
     
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    #I get knocked down, but I get up again, you're never gonna keep me down...

    What if the end of TRoS was Rey and Ben levitating in some way (it could be explained in practical terms in the movie as well as being symbolic) - an intentional inversion of all the characters falling down chasms, as they both literally Rise. In Revenge of the Sith of course we hear Palpatine famously tell Darth Vader to "rise", and we also hear that Qui-Gon has sort of risen through the Force in communication with Yoda, and we see Padmé fall (literally when choked; then in terms of passing away later, when full-suit Vader rises). In Return of the Jedi, we see The Emperor fall, and we also see Vader fall and Anakin rise as a Force ghost.

    If we see Rey and/or Ben (or Luke... or Anakin... or... ???) rise, perhaps an extended version of the title for the whole saga could have been The Rise and Fall and Rise of Skywalker.

    #He drinks a whiskey drink. He drinks a vodka drink...
     
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    Agreed. General Zod, Ursa and Non fell into the Fortress of Solitude's foggy bottom at the end of Superman II, and that never felt really satisfying to me...
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    How about a music video compiling all of these SW chasm death scenes using the Beatles song "Fixing A Hole"? :D
     
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    Decent hazard signage would really have put the kybosh on so much of the saga wouldn't it?!
     
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    I will see that & raise you Tom Petty Free Fallin :D
     
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    Next thing we'll be told that Anakin survived having three limbs chopped off, immolation and laying next to a molten lava lake and inhaling its sulfurous fumes for hours in his already critical state.
     
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    From what I gather, there is hope Mace Windu is alive or does falling out a window not count as a chasm. :p
     
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    Maybe an army of cats found him were he landed, licked his wounds and right now he's somewhere, stitching black PVC together for his new outfit.
     
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    That and preparing for a cameo in SW standalone movie like Maul did in Solo.
     
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    I'm inclined to agree with you. In my head canon, Maul died in 1 and Palpatine died in 6, and any other story is, let's just say a "fantasy."
     
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