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SPECULATION Battlefront II & Project Resurrection: Could Snoke Really Be Darth Vader?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Dark Toilet, Nov 15, 2017.

  1. Dark Toilet

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    There was a post in the TLJ General News & Rumors Thread with a video from one individual who should remain nameless... but the discussion thereafter got me thinking...

    Let's just say I was playing along with the Battlefront II storyline and its implications... not MZ. That guy just annoys the hell out of me. Glad I am not the only one.

    But as absurd as it might seem, the storyline in Battlefront II, Project Resurrection, and even Palpatine's "Contingency" really got me thinking about this preposterous idea last night:

    How would a resurrection of Darth Vader work? What if Palpatine's "Contingency" involved the power to resurrect the dead? I doubt he intended to bring back Vader specifically, since he was not yet dead when the Contingency was put in motion... But maybe Palpatine intended to bring back some long dead Sith master from beyond the grave. A group called the "The Acolytes of the Beyond" (AOTB) seemingly worshiped Darth Vader and there was an underground cult movement that began declaring "Vader Lives" after his seeming death. What if the AOTB somehow learned of Palpatine's contingency plan and usurped it or otherwise used it to try to bring back Darth Vader?

    The AOTB retrieve what is left of Darth Vader's burned body on Endor (we know Kylo got the mask, so what if some of the body is also left?) and set to bringing him back from the dead. Now you are saying, "But Anakin became a Force ghost... there is nothing to bring back!" True... with regard to Anakin. While dark siders can't become Force ghosts per se... perhaps their body could be resurrected. So what would happen to that Force ghost if someone began to pull back at least a part of that consciousness by resurrecting the body? Oh I don't know...

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    Maybe that Force ghost begins to vacillate between its dual personalities... against its own will? Ultimately, "Snoke" is resurrected from the dead body of Anakin/Darth Vader, but only embodies Darth Vader's personality. Meanwhile, Anakin's consciousness is tormented and perhaps even loses its "oneness" with the Force until "Snoke" is finally dealt with. So in other words, Luke and his new disciples must once again save Anakin Skywalker... and his grandson. But this time from the bottom depths of "hell" or the dark side.

    It has already been postulated that Snoke's injuries are similar to Anakin's, but perhaps they are just what would be left (while regenerating/resurrecting) after Darth Vader's corpse was (further) burnt on Endor:

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    You may also be saying that Snoke is supposed to be a 7 foot tall alien, right? But no one has actually said he is an alien! Just that he is humanoid, which arguably can be descriptive of a physical embodiment of a dark side Force ghost... Especially one that is supposed to be the resurrected Darth Vader (who was seven foot tall) rather than Anakin Skywalker. So "Snoke" is no Sith... and not human, just the once dead embodiment of a former Sith lord.

    This would also help to explain Luke Skywalker's exile. It has never sat right with me that the fall of Ben Solo would be enough to cause him to retreat from the galaxy and become a hermit. He saved his own father, Anakin Skywalker, when no one else thought it possible! But what would really rattle him more than anything? What about if the dark side seemingly pulled his "saved" father back to "life" and into the abyss of true darkness... with the help of his nephew. That would help to explain Luke's current mental and emotional state for me.

    I know this is really out there, not probabilistic, likely not even what I want, etc., but it was suggested a while back that what Rian Johnson came up with is very different from what we know about Star Wars and that which has come before. Just a thread to think about whether such a scenario is even plausible... or if it would be truly despised by the fandom. Curious to hear what people think...
     
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    I can see where you’re going with this line of thinking, and I love to read well thought out pieces of speculation such as yours here, but...

    Given Gleb’s past role in the tie-in novel (as Headmaster of the Future Imperial Leaders Military Preparation School on Vardos) and in the game as overseeing Project Resurrection, I’m fairly confident that Project Resurrection is referring to the training of cadets into potential First Order leaders (i.e. she could have played a part in training Hux, for instance).

    :confused:
     
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    #PlagueisConfirmed
     
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    So in this sense, "Project Resurrection" really would mean more like the "resurrection" of the Empire, albeit a leaner meaner version, rather than the resurrection of any particular individual?

    I would just find this to be a curious use of the word "resurrection" given that many, if not most, dark siders...

    ... have had a pre-occupation with conquering death and ruling the galaxy forever...
     
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    If Snoke is Vader, it would make the previous movies absolutely useless.
     
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    Snoke is...Snoke
     
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    Not necessarily... Anakin was redeemed. The physical embodiment of the dark side, in Vader, was not.

    I am not trying to suggest an un-doing of what Luke (and Anakin) accomplished in the OT, but rather delving deeper into just what exactly the dark side is. It might be a harder nuance to consider, but a significant distinction nonetheless. In essence, Snoke would be the resurrection of the dark personality of Darth Vader (not the light personality of Anakin)... or another way to think of it, the Dark Side itself coming to life within the vessel that is Darth Vader (the physical embodiment of the dark side itself).

    While admittedly a strange twist even for Star Wars, it would be a way to raise the stakes even higher than in the PT or OT without the dissatisfying reveal of yet another bad guy just hiding in the shadows and waiting his turn.

    Of course, you are likely right. But I, at least, enjoy the thought exercise. :)
     
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    LOL, dang, it hasn't even been a week and no quarter was given for folks who have yet to see the BF2 story.
     
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    Didn't Rian Johnson already say that this film doesn't go into the origins of Snoke that much? It made it seem that it wasn't that important. Snoke being Vader would be very important.
     
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    True, but perhaps that full reveal could be in Episode IX? I could envision some of the Force-ghost-of-Anakin-vacillating-with-Vader stuff in TLJ, but reserving the true Snoke reveal until IX.

    Anyway, for me this is really more of an interesting thing to think about more than it is a true, "Could it be?" type of scenario... Meaning, I would be curious whether others would think such a story would even be interesting or [gulp] desirable?
     
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    If done right, that would be fascinating. It brings back the ultimate villain. But could also leave us ghost Anakin. One represents the light (and he was the ultimate). And the other the dark. Mirrors Rey and Ben also.

    “Your father, was seduced by the dark side. When that happened, he ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. The good man who was your father, was destroyed. So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view....”

    It would explain why Kylo is so Vader centric.

    And why they threw in the Mustafar bit in Rouge One.

    And would allow Episode IX to tie in all the previous 8 movies as has been promised.

    Lastly, it would be one heck of a twist nobody saw coming! Big surprise!

    Will it happen? Likely not. But done right, it could be quite interesting.
     
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    Meesa thinks weesa gonna get a big surprise when weesa sees who actually comes back after Project Ressurection is complete.
     
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    It's Plagueis for me. He will be revealed in IX. They can't reveal him now or his agenda as it will completely spoil IX.
    He's been attempting to fully resurrect himself since Sidious put 20,000 volts into his head. Project resurrection is about restoring life to the being who can "save others from death" - people loyal to him that want to return the favour (isn't there a line in Battlefront II where Del says that the bad guy he is talking to "used to be dead"? TAnd alongside this will be the realisation that the Skywalker's must die as they were created by the Dark Side and his life is linked to their's in some way (Harry Potter Horcrux spoiler alert!).
     
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    Nah this one doesn't work for me. Vader is gone, this trilogy is about his legacy, bringing him back would defeat the object plus I think it would amount to poor story telling. Sounds more like dragon ball z than SW.

    I think like rey, snoke is just snoke. Admittedly plagueis is a possibility but I'm not a fan of that either, his presence within the film series is too small. If he had cast a bigger shadow then he'd be the perfect candidate but I just don't see it happening.
     
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    Well, despite the intriguing theory, it ain't gonna be yousa, Jar Jar Binks, Lord of the Sith. Wrong facial structure for Snoke.

    But ironically, Plagueis couldn't save himself, only those he cared about. Anakin was his greatest achievement, whether directly or indirectly, so could Anakin have been the one he cared about and could Plagueis (and Palpatine) have set the research stations, "observatories" and Project Resurrection in motion for that ultimate purpose?

    Admittedly, it may not sound like traditional Star Wars and would be taking a major risk... something early on it was rumored Rian Johnson was doing... strange or weird, I forget the precise phrase that was used.

    This is what I am getting at, I think it could be absolutely fascinating if pulled off right. It would certainly be interesting to see if they could do it in a convincing fashion. As always, I think it would be possible, even if not probable.
     
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    Agreed. Project Resurrection is probably a side-thing meant to be explored in future Battlefront DLC's.
     
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    I CONFESS... IT WAS I!!!

    I like to state once again for the record, I AM NOT MR ZEROH!!!

    However, I'm liking the conversation this has generated, great original idea by @Dark Toilet.

    I agree with @master_shaitan, this is another thing That COULD FIT nicely into plagueis coming back.
     
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    I wasn't suggesting YOU should remain nameless... I meant that guy you are not, on the record. ;)
     
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    Of course!!! As I am definitely not HIM ( He who shall not be named)



    1:55, DON'T SAY THAT NAME!!!
     
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