SPECULATION Ben's Redemption

come on now... you can't have both

i'm pretty sure it was the manipulation from Sidious that caused it all with Anakin.

what we know for sure is that Kylo is in constant torment, and he is a slave to his master.

so sure about what he is trying to be, are you?

yes and no.

the big similarity is that both were manipulated by a very powerful dark side user from an early age... Ben being the youngest, as Snoke got to him while he was still in the womb.

the big difference for me is that i think it was in Anakin's personality to be drawn to the dark side... i don't think it took much with what was going on around him.
I don't think Ben was destined to be a dark side bad guy.. and i think that's why he has that internal struggle with the light.

despite the claws Snoke has in him, and all the bad... awful things that he has done as Kylo Ren. still he is pulled to the light... which i think is amazing actually.
in my opinion.. someone who truly wanted to be dark side would not feel a pull to the light. it's the exact opposite of everything we know about the dark side of the force.

 

I'm bored with redemption, I want to see damnation!

 

If TFA was too similar then this is a path they should absolutely consider....
TFA can't be too similar but then people also get mad at change....

 

You've come to the wrong franchise, babe.

You wouldn't go watch a Harry Potter movie expecting true to life sci-fi, would you?

 

What if Snoke is the one that gets redeemed then

 

Redemption is possible its not required. He might be redeemed, he might die regrettably and he might be MIA after a final 1st Order defeat for future episodes past 9.

 

absolutely.

Kylo's redemption could even be the thread for a future trilogy. doubt it... but your right in saying that all bets are still on.

 

Very possible. However, I doubt that Adam Driver is the sort of actor who'd come back for another trilogy. He's been very vocally opposed to doing big blockbusters on a regular basis.

 

I think Ren's redemption is unavoidable. Even Ren himself knows that truth. I'm really hoping he survives his return to the light. The best way to do this is to redeem him at the end of TLJ. It's unlikely though...

 

Everyone is against blockbusters and action flicks and not wanting to be type cast.

Star Wars will be talked about 500 years from now as a generational spanning movement in cinema.

Not many pull off doctoral disortations on the Expendables. Plenty do so on Star Wars.

 

We have the winner....I've long thought this is more of a PT reboot than OT reboot. I think Snoke is technically are big bad now and Kylo will be set up for the next trilogy.

I wouldn't watch Star Wars for that either...Not sure what your point is here.

Another winner.

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Daisy is the only one right now, of the new cast, in danger of being typecast. We'll have to see how Orient Express does to truly know. She was smart to get away from Tomb Raider though.

 

smart, funny.. beautiful. but enough about me... i think Daisy will be just fine.

 

Everyone seem to think Rey is Snow White. With that said, having Rey become the big baddie is the only way to go. "I am your Sith Lady" !

 

I do as well. Passing on Tomb Raider will do wonders for her.

 

first rule of being an actor is that you never turn down a role, as you never know when the phone will stop ringing.

at this stage of the original trilogy, a certain Mr Ford was accepting the role of Indiana Jones.

i agree with you about tomb raider.. but it's dangerous to turn down work, if that's what actually happened.

 

She didn't turn down the role. She actually wanted to play Lara Croft but the studio decided for someone else.

 

Last I had heard, she backed out a bit and the role went to their #2 choice Vikander. Either way this works in Daisy's favor.

Video Game movies are terrible. The best ones are still guilty pleasures at best.

If this were a potential Indiana Jones movie, then do it. But it's Tomb Raider. It's probably going to be bad. Mr Ford was also quite a bit further along in his career.

 

Good point about their different paths. Once we get some more information on Ben's seduction it will be interesting to compare them further.

Random speculations...

I'm still curious about why some characters on both sides might think it's time for the Jedi to end. Has new information played into Ben's seduction, the academy destruction, and Luke's current outlook?

Does Luke think the use of Force on/with others creates disturbance? Has an idea surfaced that The Force seeks to balance out powerful wielders - that "evil" might awakens "light" and vice versa?

Maybe Luke and/or Kylo uncovered some prophecy indicating that Shadow and Light share the same origin and fate. Perhaps there's a "wheel of the chosen ones" or "great cycle" prophecy which ties in with a Mortis interpretation.

Of course there's plenty of ways for Force wielders to disagree on tactics without calling into question the nature of the Force itself...

Maybe Ben questioned some of the false dichotomies within The Codes (emotion vs peace, passion vs serenity, chaos vs harmony etc) and found their specious nature didn't hold up to further scrutiny. Or perhaps the tension between self control and controlling events/others could call things into question how a Force weilder views ancient orders like Sith and Jedi.

Or maybe it something more personal...

 

Exactly. Right now we are speculating a lot about his motivations towards the Dark Side. So far we have learned he had been manipulated and called to the Dark since before he was even born.

 

No we really havent that is Fanon.

There is no official confirmation that Snoke was whispering in Kylo's ear the whole time.

Ben is problem is twofold Star Wars doesnt do gray. You can have one side firing the old genocide beam and have a gray conflict.
second, Kylo or Ben doesnt have a sad sack backstory to justify being evil...he is more like the rich kid that goes off.