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Bestoon Legacy plothole?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Dynamixx88, Jan 23, 2020.

  1. Dynamixx88

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    After seeing TROS 2 times and reading trough the Visual Dictionary, one thing left lingering to me.
    We know, that Ochi of Bestoon went after Rey. Bestoon Legacy is Ochi's ship.
    And now it doesn't make much sense...
    We see Rey left on Jakku with Unkar and Bestoon Legacy flying away. Rey's parents are killed by the Sith dagger on that same ship by Ochi, who was looking for Rey. Rey recognizes the droid D-O.
    If that ship belonged to Rey's parents, it would make sense for them to hide Rey, fly off Jakku and somewhere else, Ochi tracks them down and after not being able to find Rey trough them, kills them.
    But the movie indicates, that Rey was on Ochi's ship with Ochi and her parents, they left her on Jakky and then Ochi what?! That is not possible, unless this being a lazy design again, like with Final Order Xyston Star Destroyers and we are led to believe that Ochi and Rey's parents had the same type of the ship individually.
    Did I miss something or it does not simply add up?
     
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    I don't believe that Rey's Force Vision of the Bestoon Legacy flying away as she screams for her parents to come back is meant to be seen as a literal depiction of what happened to her.
     
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    And force visions don't necessarily tell the whole truth--i.e Chosen One prophecy.
     
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    Rey's arc throughout the entire Sequel Trilogy - but especially in TFA and TLJ - hinges on her own deepset insecurities and the self-delusions spawned by those insecurities, and, with the new context and revelations about her story provided by TRoS, we can see that this applies even to her own actual memories, Force-triggered or otherwise.

    She sees - and saw - the circumstances surrounding her abandonment on Jakku through a 'distorted lens' and is therefore an 'unreliable narrator' of sorts.
     
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    It makes sense to me, literally or otherwise.

    This is how I see it, I’ll go through it as a timeline:

    The ship is Ochi of Bestoon’s.

    Rey and her parents were on Jakku with Rey. (Rey remembers this in her flashback).

    Ochi tracks down Rey’s parents on Jakku, and just before/as he arrives her parents hug her and tell her she’ll be safe here, they promise. They leave her with Unkar Plutt, who sees the value of a small child as a scavenger he can use to get him parts.

    Having left her with Plutt, Ochi catches up with Rey’s parents, and demands to know where the girl is. They refuse to tell her, so he kills them. They’re quite possibly dead in a pauper’s grave on Jakku like Kylo said they were, or their bodies were dumped somewhere else on the way to Pasaana. For clarity: I think Ochi takes Rey’s parents on board his ship while on Jakku, questions them, then kills them. I think this all happens before he takes off, but it could be after he takes off, I’m not sure it matters hugely, it just makes more sense to me that he wouldn’t have left until after he killed them.

    Rey sees Ochi’s ship leaving, believing her parents are on it. I think we can assume that either Unkar genuinely thought they were on the ship as it left, or else let Rey believe that so the false hope of them returning would keep her working for him (or both). This is the moment Rey remembers - the ship leaving, believing her parents are (still) on it.

    I don’t get the sense that Rey ‘recognises’ D-O, I’m not sure where you get that from, but I guess it’s possible. But personally I don’t think Rey has ever either seen D-O before, or been on (inside) the Legacy before the events of TRoS. I bolded that part because I think it’s the crucial thing that seems to be causing you a problem(!?).

    Once Rey finds the dagger, she gets visions of the past connected to the dagger, revealing it was used to kill her parents. This re-contextualises her old memory of the ship leaving Jakku because now she understands it was Ochi and the ship leaving, not her parents (or at least not alive for much longer if they were still on board). Remember the visions Rey has from the lighsaber in TFA - this included things that Rey never physically saw like the scene of the duel between Vader and Luke in TESB. She appears to gets visions from objects, at least the saber and the dagger (side note, I think it’s beautifully symbolic of her past, her journey, her identity and the destiny she chooses/accepts - Saber or dagger, Jedi or Sith, Skywalker or Palpatine).

    Ochi flies to Pasaana and lands, before falling through the sinking sands in his landspeeder and dying in the tunnels, unable to get out - I would speculate possibly bitten by the vexis (serpent).

    In TRoS, Rey and the others leave to look for the Sith wayfinder. All she knows is the trail went cold in Pasaana. She meets Lando, who tells her he was looking for it with Luke and they didn’t find it, but Ochi’s ship is still out there.

    They find the ship but fall in the sinking sands. They find the dagger, Rey heals the serpent’s wound, which enables them to escape the tunnels and get to the ship, which Rey recognises as looking like the one she has spent years remembering as the ship that flew off when he parents left her in Jakku. Chewie is captured so she doesn’t get any more time with the dagger yet, as he was carrying it.

    Later, on the First Order capital ship, Rey senses she needs the dagger. Touching it, she gains the vision of it being used to kill her parents, and Kylo arrives to reveal more of her past.

    It is complicated and at times ambiguous, maybe I am wrong or have made mistakes in my summary(?). But I hope that helps. :)
     
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    Honestly, I kinda wish TROS hadn't focused so much on the Ochi thing- much as I love the film, it feels like it never knows how and to what degree it wants to be a mystery story.
     
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    There's a part of that analysis that is missing: Rey knowing her parents' fate as revealed in her conversation with Ben in TLJ.

    During said conversation, he doesn't actually tell her anything; he merely gets her to acknowledge things about herself and her parents that she already knew.

    Which is the key reason why I don't believe that we as an audience were meant to view the memories/Force-induced images of her past and the circumstances of her abandonment on Jakku in a literal sense.

    Rey had spent so long telling herself that her parents had flown away on a ship but were going to come back for her - even though she knew they were dead on Jakku - that the lie became her truth even in memory/vision.
     
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