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Big Mistakes in The Force Awakens

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by varmando, Dec 18, 2015.

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What do you think is wrong in TFA?

  1. Story/ script

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    34.9%
  2. Direction

    13 vote(s)
    15.7%
  3. Music/ sound effects

    9 vote(s)
    10.8%
  4. Acting performance

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  5. Characters/ vehicles

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  6. Snoke

    13 vote(s)
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  7. Edition

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  8. CGI work/ special effects

    3 vote(s)
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  9. None...it's perfect.

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  1. varmando

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    Hi, I watch it yesterday and I think it's a good movie, far from Empire Strikes Back but better than Episode 1 & 2...I like the new characters a lot (specially Rey, great work for Daisy)...but there were many things I didnt like too!!!
    1.- The Force...How can someone without training can defeat a trained warrior????
    2.- Han Solo death...It was no Epic at all....no last words?? no funeral?? Leia was only sad for 2 seconds!!!
    3.- Music....What happened to John Williams?? No Epic new score?? Very similar to the OT!!!
    4.- Starkiller...If the destruction of the Death Stars by a few rebel ships was hard to believe...now it's crazy that a few little ships can destroy a whole planet!!!!
    5.- The Resistance...they look like more poor and weak than The Rebelion!!!
    6.- Snoke...Worst CGI work I have ever seen!!! He looks like a cartoon character!!
    7.- Kylo Ren...At the beginning he looks so powerful...but at the end he looks like a force amateur guy!!!

    I'm sorry for my bad english and sorry if my comments are annoying for you...but I love Star Wars and I was very disappointed yesterday...I hope Episode 8 and 9 be better.
     
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    Disappointed with the music.
     
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    Disappointed With the direction .
     
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    The story, but I understand that and will forgive it.... this time. (Don't fail me VIII, You got HUGE expectations on your shoulders.)

    Everything is just amazing. The visuals, the acting, the directing, the camera work, lightsaber fights etc.... I could go on and on lol.

    Honestly I think the remedy should have been this.

    Director: JJ abrahms. (Hands down, almost scared to see what others do with it)
    Story: Someone NOT JJ abrahms. Maybe the cohen brothers, or someone that can write new, and amazing stuff.

    But that's all I got. Right now its 9/10. I compeletly forgive the copy/paste of New Hope.
     
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    I think Han's story ate into Poe's screen time. I was desperate for more Poe. Other than that i'm happy with everything. I got exactly what I was hoping for.
     
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    Blame ford for potatoe's screen time .
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    My issue is all in the pacing... had the movie gone into 3+hour overtime, I think they could have fixed a lot of it.
    For a 136 minute movie, they were too ambitious for the material they wanted to cover.


    The movie is called "the Force awakens" for a reason...
    It's like a case of, the harder you resist, the harder things push you.
    The more someone resists the will of the Force, the harder the Force pushes them into accepting their destiny.

    That being said, I think the mind trick scene was a bit silly... it's one thing to suddenly suddenly start using the Force to resist a telepathic invasion, but it's another to attempt doing something you've never seen or experienced before.


    What is Han supposed to say?
    How else are you going to kill Han?
    Why burden the Resistance's mission/celebration with the murder of an old smuggler?


    It got buried under the breakneck pacing of the film. Unfortunate, but not much you can do about it.


    It kind of depends on how Starkiller operates... it's pretty poorly explained in the movie.


    Well... sort of. The galaxy has been in relative peace for 30 years... people have lived without the oppression of the Empire. There's nothing really motivating people to join this new movement in droves. Events in TFA may change this a bit...


    That's kind of the point. The Force is strong in his family, making him powerful, but he's young, arrogant, and conflicted, which causes him to make mistakes. In other words, he's what Anakin should have been in the prequels.
     
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    The only "major" problem i had was Kylo (Ben) being beaten so easily by Rey. I thought it would be like ESB where Vader defeats Luke and then next movie he has finished his training and defeats Vader. I thought Kylo would overpower Rey and then after Rey is trained by Luke in episode 8 Rey is more powerful. Im not sure where they go with Kylo now. Towards the end Snoke says something like bring Kylo to me to complete his training, but to me he needs a lot more training after seeing him lose to Rey

    I thought script, story, chatacters, action and acting was excellent and I thought the movie as a whole was 8.5 out of 10
    Just for reference my rankings
    1, ESB: 9.5
    2. ANH: 9
    3. TFA and ROTJ 8.5
    4, ROTS: 7
    5. AOTC: 4
    6. TPM: 3

    Snoke's CGI wasnt great but it was a hologram and holograms are not supposed to be perfect. Palpatine's hologram was even worse in OT
    I Wasn't fond of Maz Kanata's CGI either but Lupita Nyonga's voice acting made up for it

    BTW: I blame Harrison Ford for Han's death, not JJ as Harrison wanted out for a long time, but I thought Han dying to his son when his emotions were clouding his judgement was fine. At least he died to a major character
     
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    Posted this in a thread -


    The pacing - It is relentless, and it is a good thing as well as a bad thing, as they fit an awful lot in the run time. However at times you do wish the movie would take a break to breathe, particularly in the last act. It's one action scene after another, from the X Wing's attacking Star Killer base, to Han's death, to the lightsaber battle, to Rey flying off to find Luke, without really letting any of it sit with the audience for a moment. Particularly an issue after Han's death I feel. It just felt like 'well, that happened, now we're off to do this! It is an issue throughout the entire movie I felt. The Star Killer attack on the republic was very rushed. The complete destruction of 4 or 5 entire worlds - it should have been given more than 30 seconds to a minute of screen time. The audience needed time to actually connect to it, to care about the lives lost, but it was just shoehorned in and brushed over instantly I felt.

    Too many convenient plot points - Yes, I realise the original movies had similar coincidences, but I felt there was no need to have so many. Straight away, the Falcon happens to be on Jakku for Rey and Finn to steal. 5 minutes later, Han and Chewie happen to be in the same area of an entire Galaxy to meet up with them. The first place they travel to with Han, Luke's lightsaber happens to be there so Rey can find it. R2 wakes up from his 'low power state' right on cue when needed and happens to have the rest of the map that BB8 had. It just goes on and on. It felt a little lazy at times and a slight insult to the audience's intelligence perhaps. Not everything has to be tied together in a neat little bow, and you don't have to attempt to squeeze so much into the allotted time.

    Use of the Force - I have to say I found Rey's force 'awakening' completely ridiculous and contrary to Luke's journey in the original movies. Luke is an extremely powerful Jedi, yet it took him quite a while to accept the force and to learn to harness it with help from Yoda and Obi Wan. Rey, a young woman with zero knowledge of the force, zero training, zero guidance from anyone, learned mind control and kinetic abilities in 10 minutes. I can only surmise her force 'battle' with Kylo as he attempted to torture her/read her mind somehow kickstarted her force abilities. At least I hope that's it, because there's no other decent explanation. Also I think it was strange that Han's death seemed to have little effect on Kylo in terms of the force. We've seen in previous movies that a truly evil deed seems to change a conflicted character, namely Anakin. It's a nice device to show how dark these deeds are and how it affects the character, dragging them deeper into the Dark Side, in many cases making them more powerful, and really adds to the mythical element of the movies for me. Kylo seemed unaffected in that way after murdering his own father, which was a missed opportunity. His battle with Rey was also an issue for me. Yes, Kylo was injured before the fight, but with apparently years of experience using the force and his light saber, he was bested by someone with practically no experience with either. I thought it was a little convenient.


    Han's death - This bugged me. Not because Han Solo is dead, but because of the background to why it happened, or lack thereof. Kylo is a great character, conflicted, torn, but I really feel we needed to see and feel more of his personal story to understand why he would murder his own father. If they even showed a 10 minute flashback depicting the split from Luke and his turn to the dark side, I think it would have made his murder of Han easier to swallow. Why does he even hate his father so much? Should it not be Luke he hates? We don't even really know. This greatly cheapened Han's death for me. Perhaps we'll find out more in the coming movies but at the moment it doesn't sit right with me, personally.


    There were other smaller issues. Can someone tell me why Leia and Rey hugged after the falcon returned to the resistance base? As far as I can recall, this was the first time they met in the entire movie? Why would Chewie not go straight to Leia after Han died? He walked straight by her. Confusing. The acting from Fisher and at times Ford was not the strongest in comparison to the newer cast I felt, perhaps a little forced.

    As I said, I did like the movie but I think it's far from great, and the pacing is the number 1 issue for me. It could have been a lot deeper, the events a lot more meaningful I think if they'd been more fleshed out. At the moment I have to say that while there's some great moments, as a whole the movie feels a little shallow to me. I'll be seeing it again at the weekend I hope to come away with a different opinion.
     
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    I would like to have more Knights of Ren and artefacts quests. Like the search of the helmets and the origins of the Ren thing.
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    1 - For me, Rey isn't a Skywalker, she's the choosen one. The Force decided to call for her and awakened in Her, she's gifted in everything similar to Anakin

    2 - He left the resistance for a while, he wasn't well known there.

    3 - No major themes except for Rey

    4 - First order has to be a threat so they needed weapons and in a galaxy, you have to threaten to destroy planets to be serious.

    5 - The threat wasn't really clear at the start.

    6 - Disappointing.

    7 - He lost because he took a real shot from Chewie and was way too confident. He didn't know what to do with Rey, he was fascinated by the girl and torn apart with assessment that he was weak. The dude seems very lonely. Wants to have a name between a father and a mother who are heroes and an uncle who is a legend. Too much too soon.
     
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    I totally agree with everything you said plus some other factors.
    1-Lack of known aliens. This movie felt like a totally different universe with some SW characters as guests.
    2-Phasma sucked BIG TIME.
    3-What was the point of all the girl stuff of having BB8 and PZ-4CO be girls? There is no point in the movie that makes this seem logical for BB8 and neither for PZ who had no lines in the movie.
    4-Why a Stormtrooper carries a Jedi fighting weapon when the Jedi have been gone to the point of being considered legends is beyond me. That was just fan service and nothing more.
    5-Finn in no way acts like somebody who was taken as a child and trained in the First Order. His constant jokes, lack of confidence and cowardly actions make him being a Stormtrooper very hard to believe.
    6-JJ Abrams speedy camera style sucks. There were many parts in the movie where you can't apreciate your suroundings. The tentacle monsters looked cool but were always moving to fast and not much could be apreciated from the denisens of both Jakku and Maz Kanata's castle.
    7-No logical reason for the lack of different ships in the Resistance other than X-Wings considering that Ackbar was still a major player and there were other aliens there as well.
     
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    it was actually covered pretty comprehensively.
    • The Starkiller base sucks up the energy from a star to power the weapon.
    • someone says "to contain that kind of energy they'd need an oscilator"
    • finn says "hey they have one of those"
    • they blow up the oscilator and the energy of the sun can no longer be contained and is unleashed in the core of the planet
    • if you look when the falcon and x-wings are flying away, Starkiller doesn't explode...
    • it turns into a sun...
    • obviously there'd be real world science problems with such a scenario, but it's star wars so it doesn't matter.
     
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    I'm confused. It was a great experience, I enjoyed the characters. Kylo and Rey are great. Finn a bit too much at times, but it's okay. Han Solo was great, and felt really Solo. Themovie has a very entertaining first half.

    But, I really hate to say it, I am little by little getting bad feelings about it. The pace is truly a problem. I love how the plot advances especially in the first half, but theclimatic moments, and very specially Han's dead, run too fast. There has been a moment in which I almost cried, that was the shot of Chewie sitting alone after he's pal was dead, but it was so short!
    Other things feel ridiculous. Not Tatooine, but Jakku, not death star, bu Starkiller, not yoda, but Maz, not the cantina, but the castle and so on. It felt abusive and unnecessary to go that far as to mix the whole OT. Even dialogs like "i've waited for this day for along time".
    Finn's use of lightsaber is so cheap and so forced. There's just one stormtrooper that uses that staff only to explain why Finn can fight. And then he faces Kylo which is just impossible.
    Phasma, the so woman empowered character is so weak, soeasy to get over her...
     
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    I voted that the issue was with the Script/Story because, despite my love of the film, I couldn't ever call it perfect. And I believe that the only true gripes to be had here *In my opinion* are with the story playing it far too safe. But I feel the rest of the film earns it, so it works.

    But I can understand why some people are disappointed.
     
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    1. She was guided by the force. I think that was a big part of Rey in this film: the power of the force reckoning her to her destiny.
    2. I think Han's death was amazing. The setting, the chemistry between Harrison Ford and Adam Driver...superb. I am glad it didn't rely on some cheesy last words. I think that they will pick up on Han's death in episode VIII.
    3. I don't think it was too similar to the OT. It wasn't near as intense as it was in previous films, and it didn't need to be.
    4. Yeah, I agree. But I still really loved everything about Starkiller Base.
    5. Yeah, they do seem a little weak, come to think of it. I don't think they have much control in the galaxy at this point; the galaxy is a pretty messed up.
    6. I didn't think it was too bad; I just think we havn't got a good look at him.
    7. I think he gradual got weaker in the film due to frustration and stress.
    I loved the film. The direction, the outstanding cinematography, the characters, and the plot are all delightful and had me smiling at almost every turn. I just wanna hug JJ Abrams and thank him for all the care he put into TFA.
    I think TFA will probably be the best of the sequel trilogy, but we will see. May the force be with you, and I hope you come to love this film despite your current opinion.
     
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    Oh my god, the pace once they get to Maz's castle is just too fast. There were too many plot issues that could have been corrected with re-writes and they could have slowed things down so the plot made more sense. My head is still spinning. This movie tried to be a "greatest hits" when all it needed to do was stick to Han, Rey, Finn and Kylo.
     
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    1. Yeah... I mean, there was Chewie, Ackbar, and Nien Nunb... Not a single rodian, gran, or twi'lek in sight, despite being some of the more common aliens in the rest of the saga.
    2. That scene on Starkiller did not fit her character at all. Surely, a loyal, indoctrinated First Order leader would sacrifice themselves in such a situation. Judging from the leaked shooting scheduled, it was shoehorned in to make up for the lack of a Resistance weapon/ship which wrecked Star Destroyers in orbit and broke through the planetary shield.
    3. BB-8 was called a he... and I don't remember hearing PZ-4CO being mentioned are speaking a single line.
    4. I don't actually think the weapon is intended for fighting Jedi... It's more of a non-lethal riot control baton, which is also why it came paired with the shield. What I don't understand, is why it was able to block the lightsaber.
    5. I never really saw Finn as having a lack of confidence or being a coward. He never once said "I can't do it" or anything along those lines... he just wanted to escape from the First Order, because as far as he was concerned, no one stood a chance against them.
    6. The entire sequence on the giant freighter was just awkward... I wish they had rewritten that.
    7. I certainly agree with that... and the sad thing is that they created a few different concepts for different ships, like the C-wing and the J-wing. I have no idea why they decided not to go through with it.



    Remember when they said that Michael Arndt wanted more time to write the script, but Disney wanted to get the film in production, so they let Arndt go, and brought in Abrams and Kasdan? I think that move by Disney is the source of all our problems.
     
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    You people complain about anything sure give me 5 dislikes and a troll...

    Seems they can never make everyone happy, Lucas tried why he quit.

    Can't you love it and shut up... be thank full there is any more star wars movies in the first place.
     
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