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Biggest plot twist of Episode VIII

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Darth Klaugott, Jan 18, 2017.

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What will be in your opinion the biggest plot twist of Episode VIII ?

  1. Something related to Snoke

    43 vote(s)
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  2. Something related to the Force

    20 vote(s)
    12.0%
  3. Rey's parentage reveal

    44 vote(s)
    26.3%
  4. Death of a beloved character like Luke or Leia

    8 vote(s)
    4.8%
  5. Something else

    52 vote(s)
    31.1%
  1. Ammianus Marcellinus

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    I will definitely give that book a look! Thanks!
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    Compare Hesiod's Theogony to the book of Genesis and you'll have even more fun!
     
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    Please don't even go there, i'm a huge Mythology buff and i've been studying Mythological influences on Catholic Culture over the years and you must keep in mind two main events:

    - Christian history was told to us by classic greeks who lived their own mythos and adapted plenty of them to make sense to the othre greeks.
    - There was a religious war in the middle ages when catholic tried to convert the germanic tribes and later the dangerous vikings, the catholics also adapted many of the german theologies to their own perception of religion.

    Therefore, the main Catholic Myths are heavily influenced by the adaptation of the classic and middle ages ones. Main things present in catholic religion that actually came from early mythologies:

    - Adam and Eve - Actually Ask and Embla from the Ragnarok tale of Norse Mythology
    - Heaven - Norse Valhalla were the good ones go after their dead (the only way Knights could fight death non fearing vikings)
    - Satan and Inferno - Really Hades rulling over Hades and torturing the evil ones (wich came from the Egypt world of dead)
    - God knowing everything and seeing it all - Derivation from the omnipresent Odin wich gave an eye for the ability to see the future
    - God is so powerfull that no one can see it (like Moises in the Sinai) - Came from Zeus immense Power, the ruler of the sky appeared as a light or a flame because he was so powerfull that no one can stand to look at him.

    But the must astonishing of them all:

    - Jesus Christ is the son of God from a Human woman and will save the mankind - actually this is the story of Dyonisus from greek mythology (Jesus never claim to be "The Son of God" nor that he would save the mankind, his message was "Were all sond of God" and "Repent your mistakes", but the classic greeks loved their savior history.

    - Single God Religion - Actually the later believers of the Greek and Norse Mythology had already adopt the single god worship log before the catholic came along.
     
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    I'm not an expert of the era, but it was exactly the other way around.
    The Norse stories were not written down before christianity gainined dominance in the middle ages. Since it was written down by people influenced of christian beliefs (between the 10-14th century), they probably written them down more equivalent to christianity, thus the similarities. At least as far as I know this is the accepted scientific consensus.
    Lol what? Since Norse Mythology was written down after the christianisation of Europe, you can't declare that as truth... There is little to nothing known about pre-written era Norse mythology. Christian monotheism comes from Judaism (the Old Testament), a religion which was already a written monotheistic religion long before the Classical Greek era started and Greek politheism ended (it ended around the 9th century in the Mani Peninsula area of Greece when the last pagans were converted).
    Also what exactly is Greek Mythology? How do you define it? Each city had its own stories and heroes, there wasn't a single unified religion...

    During college, where I had plenty of time to read about miscellaneous things (including this topic, as I'm a history buff), and I've come to a conclusion to disagree with this (strictly on scientific soil). Mainly because as I said, there wasn't a single Greek mythology, nor a single Dyonisus story. It varied from one person to another.

    If you are interested in this subject matter I suggest you to read Prof. Bart Ehrman's books.
    I managed to find a part of one of his book on a website, which is especially about this topic:
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/bibleandculture/2012/06/11/bart-ehrman-on-did-jesus-exist-part-seven/
     
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    If Luke says to Rey, you are my father, my head will explode like the guy at the Dave chapel clan meeting!
     
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    I feel the need to clarify you regarding our history timelines:

    NORSE MYTHOLOGY - it's a reference to Western European Mythos since the Gauls, through Celts and the Germanic Tribes to the Northern Vikings, their base mythos is one and the same, Gaelic Lugh is Germanic Wotan and Norse Odin, and their stories are incredible similar from the mountains of the Iberian Peninsula to the forests of the Germania, those peoples are very similar in their genetics, livings and beliefs (considering paraleles to the various tribes of native north americans, very similar despite several different peoples). It's generacally called Norse mythology only because the only writings on existence of this culture were found in Island, the Eddas, in XIII Century BUT Stonehenge was built around 3000 BC in the name of the same "religion", as amarker for the sacrest day in the Year - 21 December/Winter Solstice" such as the Gauls Art and Folclore dated from 1200 BC are representations of the same stories you found written in the XIII Century Eddas. The first Religious constructions in Mankind history are monuments built in the name of this Mythos, usually described as "Megalithic Monuments" all across Western Europe, like the Carnac Monolith, and they are dated betwen 5000 BC and 2000 BC. (and this is incredibly old). All their gods and deities were almost the same, even if sometimes they had diferent names or same minor aspects, but the Dates of the year are the exact same across the centuries, the "Wheel of Time" or "Wheel of the Year", the World/Universe creation is exactly the same and so is their unique belief of "life" after death (the Western europeans were the first humans to establish what happened after death). Therefore you must date the "Norse Mythology" from 5000 BC to 1300 AC.

    GREEK MYTHOLOGY - the Greek didn't create a mythology or story of the creation of the universe, they just compile a big bunch of stories/Mythos from everything they knew, from the Egiptian to the Persian and Mesoptanian Mythologies, including several "Hyperboreal" references (Hyperborea is the Greek reference to the people from the North Europe - the germanic tribes). The Greek Mythology must be dated 1200 BC to 900 BC but it develop though the centuries in the form of Roman Mytology, again they are basically the same thing, from the same source but with different naming, thus usually is just called as the Classic Mythology and it compasses all the major mediterranean peoples, including the Greek and the Romans.There are so many aspects of this "Religion" as are writtings about it, remembering the classic cultures wrote their ideas down and produced a big amount of fictional and dramatical stories and therefore exist plenty of versions about this subject but the only written works about Mythology are the Greek Hesiod Theogony and the Roman Oviod Metamorphoses and they are accepted as the cannon source about it.

    CHRISTIAN RELIGION - is a term refered to the mythos professed by Jesus Christ and is dated from 0 To 100 AC. (I don't wan't to evolve much on this subject because i don't like to talk about other persons creeds and beliefs, but i have no problem to discuss the dead religions). I would only state the obvious about Christianity, it evolved from the Judaism/Middle Eastern Religions in wich every single tribe/city had one God and one Temple were the God Lived (the God was actually nailed to the ground and the temples were built around that, like the temple of Jerusalem existed only to house Jehova) therefore you might say that Judaism is politheist in their monotheism, the judaism later develop the other gods besides Jehova as minor gods or angels. Jesus Christ is a prophet that followed John the Baptist and defended the need for the Jewish people obey the true laws of Judaism and resist the Roman invasors. Jesus message is one wonderful thing of love and respect and should be watched carefully, but Christian Religion was created in Greece in 300 AC (the hellenistic Judaism) and Jesus Message was rewrite between 300 Ac and 500 BC from persons that never knowed Jesus (by the way there are plenty of writtings about Jesus Christ in the middle east from 200 Ac to 300 AC not considered by the catholic church). BUT almost everything you know about the Christian Mythos was told and created around 1100 AC and 1200 AC by a reforming church, with several popes trying to settle their own power amoung the diferent european nations, and in the middle of a brutal war to convert every european into the "Catholic Religion". The main evidences came in the form of the central book of medieval Catholic religion, "The Book of Revelations of John", wich was written long after all the other canonical books of the Church, and do you know when was the first time the term resurrection of Jesus and the life after death entered the Catholic religion? (in 1100 AC when the gospel of Marcus was expanded with the verses were Mary and her daughters found an empty tumb)

    By the Way - The first monotheist peoples were the Britain and Irish Celts, wich turned their religion into the Druid Cult around 1200 BC, believing Wotan was the only God and he ruled and commanded over all the others despite the stories of Finn McCool in Ireland and Scotland but those were only people's tales.
     
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    I was thinking that it would be when Luke DOESN'T tell Rey that he's her father but instead let's it hang and doesn't reveal it....or is that a plot "UN-twist"?? :)
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    Seriously though, I think the biggest twist (if you want to call it that) would be a reveal that Luke isn't alone on Ahch-To, and has found other Jedi there.....because you won't expect it.
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    Come on folks.....we've all been here long enough to know how the Earthly political and religious conversations end up going. I understand the comparisons going on with this, but let's keep this strictly Star Wars, because our Gods and mythology are no comparison to the power of the Force. :)
     
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    extragalactic invasion
     
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    Again, you're right my friend....

    Nothing else matters, in here we are all Star Wars Fans.
     
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    ...except that it's all intertwined due to how lucas created and what he was inspired by.
     
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    Well maybe, possibly already mentioned. I've not actually read the book so its from what I heard but still
    Snoke being from outside the galaxy, would be cool. About the Emperor sensing him (i think) Not expected at all.
     
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    "Except" nothing....leave it elsewhere.
     
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    I think its obvious that Snoke and Rey are new characters but what do I know....
     
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    Guess this question retains the major issue on writing this sequel trilogy..... Do you keep the story on the "old" main characters or you go in another direction with a cast of main characters?

    Keeping the Old Crew will fulfill the hopes of long term fans while keep some new ones at bay completely clueless, but it's a shorter trail to go with the main story simply because this old characters are already defined and established with their backgrounds and their future hopes limited.

    Going New is a very risky thing because it has too much potentialities to offend or even insult the old loyal fans, but it will allow easily the development with new fans and it could leave the franchise to new directions and goals.

    I believe staying in the middle is a very dangerous because they will get the worst of both situations and will not get any of the rewards of going in one direction.

    In my opinion the original story is already told in the first 6 movies, The Rise and Fall of Anakin Skywalker, but an Epilogue Movie would be very well assingned in order to set the background of the galaxy for the next stories but above everything to deal with the fate of Anakin Son's. Then they could start fresh, in the same Universe, but telling a NEW story with new characters were references to the old guys would be very satisfaying to the old fans.
     
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    seems like the ST is the epilogue for the OT characters already. they've just overlapped it with the new start for the new generation.
    Rey and Finn and Poe (and possibly Ben) will carry the next stories forward.
     
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    It's simple.
    The movie opens with Rey holding out the saber to Luke.
    Luke's unresponsive. Tension starts.
    CUTS to ANOTHER SCENE; tension builds.
    Things happen. Other characters.
    CUTS back to Luke and Rey. Still haven't moved. Dramatic music, somethings about to happen. More tension.
    CUTS to a space chase (there's a chase scene in EVERY movie of some kind, sometimes on foot).
    CUTS back to Luke and Rey. Still haven't moved. Close ups, helicopter & crane camera angles. Still haven't moved. Music switches to more climatic. Tension adds.
    CUTS to the space battle moving in closer to their atmosphere, visible in the skyline. Ships crash all around them. Still haven't moved.
    CUTS back to Luke, Rey, and the tension. And the climatic music.
    Movie's over. Roll credits. To Be Continued.
     
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    Rey's parents reason for leaving her.
     
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    I sense a great misunderstanding of the meaning of "plot twist" in this thread....
    ;)
     
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    Actually it was about the overlapping i was against, i would finish one story and THEN start another one (but ôk we all understand it)
     
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    Press Reveal
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    "No Rey, I am your father."
     
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    I cant remember if I posted or just voted :0

    Twist for me is, she is not Luke's daughter. She is in fact Han and Leia's child. Vaders other grandchild. The good version ;)
     
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