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Biggest problem: Kylo does not regret his evil acts at all!

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by McDiarmid, Feb 20, 2018.

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Kylo does not regret for his evil acts.

Poll closed Apr 7, 2020.
  1. He is cool

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  2. He is cold blooded patricidal murderer

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  3. ReyLo will erase his records

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  1. McDiarmid

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    You want to tell me episode IX will be cancelled or what?
     
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    No. I just want to tell you that bad and good is a point of view. A lot of people thought the Empire was good and they trusted in it. Maybe Kylo is actually finishing what Vader started: brining peace and freedom to the galaxy.
     
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    The best way this to end is to hand over the destiny of the galaxy to the will of the Force, not people.
    Thats how they should end Skywalker Saga.
     
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    wouldn't this be the most awesome reversal?

    like, suddenly the FO is building aqueducts and roads, and galactic health care and education and the Resistance is faced with an "imperial" regime that's actually doing good for the galaxy. this is why the saga needs to end on a treaty; cooperation and diplomacy through a confederation should trump this petty power struggle.

    #IfWishesWereFishes
     
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    But that's not uncommon. In fact, many of the totalitarian regimes during the times of their rule got stuff done. Huge industrial complexes of Soviet Russia like Magnitogorsk, German highways, metro in Bucharest, complete reconstruction of Warsaw's Old Town after its total annihilation during WWII - all of that was done under a rule of a totalitarian/autoritarian regime. The problem is that, you know, these regimes were oppressive.
     
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    this was mostly a riff on the Monty Python joke about the Roman empire. XD
    but yes, also a wish that the FO would play out differently from the Empire in a more immediate way because it's important to recognize that most oppressive governments don't come into power because they want to hurt and kill and destroy, but because they feel like they've been the victim of former injustice and are now overbalancing the scales out of fear of ever being victimized again.

    i feel like this is the FO Wendig sold us in the Aftermath books and dadgummit, i want to see it play out on the screen.
     
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    I also feel like it’s worth mentioning that, assuming Leia is dead by the time Episode IX starts, Kylo Ren is the last living Skywalker. That being said, I feel like without some sort of redemption, his actions will have tainted his parents’ legacy—and his family legacy. There is no way what is presumed to be the final film in the Skywalker saga is going to end without there being some sort of redemption. I’m not sure how they’ll go about doing it, but I’m positive it’ll happen, whether he lives or dies.
     
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    I really hope the FO is seen as a good regime. This would make the Resistance even more look like terrorists. I do think Poe will be pretty extreme in the next movie ("We are the spark that will light the fire that will burn down the First Order") because he doesn't accept the FO as a good government.
     
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    But wasn't this done in TLJ? You know, with the whole "saving what we love stuff." Also, the First Order seems a bit too radical to be considered to be a "good regime." It has already been established in the films that they abduct children and force them into the military, strip planets clean of their resources without any care for the citiens of the said planet. It's always been the aggressor Although Empire was certainly bad, it seemed like it knew what was it doing. The First Order - not so much. Snoke didn't care at all about what happened around him - there's a reason why he had a curtain surrounding his throne room. He was the Supreme Leader for the golden slippers. Now, the ruling class, exemplified by Hux and Kylo, is spiteful, constantly bickering, disrespected by the military (look at Peavey's expressions throughout the film - he's fed up with both Kylo and Hux) and straight up mad - their goals are so vague that they could have come out of populist party's manifesto. What I'm trying to say is the First Order is EVIL and WRONG. I very strongly doubt Abrams will paint it in any positive light, especially now, when Kylo, a nihilistic Neoimperialist, is reigning it.
     
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    hahaha!

    so come on trooper... what have the First Order ever done for us? :p
     
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    but Snoke is dead. both Hux and Ren, for all their faults, are idealists. Hux is additionally a megalomaniac, so that won't bode well and Ren is clearly a control freak, so of course it's going to be a total mess, but there's also still the slim chance that they can be course-corrected. certainly Ben can. Hux, unfortunately, is probably a lost cause. but we also don't know who else is calling shots in this heirarchy, so there are a lot of variables at play.

    if the Centrist faction of the New Republic supported the First Order, then there's still hope that some kind of reason may prevail.

    i refuse to give up ~ hahahahaha
     
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    huh? wha?? that's what they want you to think. they will use the soul stone to bring him back to life next year! :D
     
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    Mmmm as He himself would say:
    “Much anger in him... He’s not ready.” (yoda)

    ;)

    Something drastic needs to happen for Kylo to leave the trail of destruction behind and do anything positive. The question is: what is it going to be?
     
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    Leia's death.
     
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    Sadly, it's called Star Wars... emphasis on Wars.
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    I thought that too, but not sure if it’s enough... Remember that when she got thrown out into space Kylo must have thought she was dead. Then it didn’t affect him in a drastic way, even though his flying team had been responsible for the attack.
     
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    Yeah, that's something I really dislike about TLJ. => There was no affect on Kylo Ren. A missed oppurtunity if you ask me...
     
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    But what new information would such a scene give us? We already know Kylo cares for Leia - that's why he doesn't shoot her down. Yes, sure, if she had died, then a lack of reaction shot would be weird and out of place. But she didn't. Not only that - she was fine in a matter of hours.
     
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    It's about forming a character. He should have been angry and question everything after this scene. But he forgets about it completely. Furthermore it would have been a great plot device. => Ren tells Snoke that he killed his mother (a lie) and later on it's revealed she's still alive. Snoke wouldn't have been happy about this, but Ren would have been quite relieved. #Tension
     
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    while i agree there wasn't enough time to indulge in a deeper exploration of this, i think the most important piece of information we got was that he refused to kill her. that's all we really need to know. it wasn't going to matter if Snoke found out or not. the outcome would have still been the same.
     
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