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Biggest problem: Kylo does not regret his evil acts at all!

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by McDiarmid, Feb 20, 2018.

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Kylo does not regret for his evil acts.

Poll closed Apr 7, 2020.
  1. He is cool

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  2. He is cold blooded patricidal murderer

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  3. ReyLo will erase his records

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  1. Pawek_13

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    But we, as audience, already know that Leia survives.
     
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    Maybe the approach is to have Kylo finding his humanity in spurts, first his unease after meeting Rey, his loss of balance after killing Han, his compassion for Leia and Rey, his devastation at the prospect of being completely alone after Luke is gone and Rey and Leia depart from Crait and from his life. These little glimpses of humanity are probably the foundation for Kylo's final turn to good in episode 9.
     
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    We've been given too many clues to not see the redemption coming from afar, imo. I'm not sure what those who say there's no chance for his redemption are watching, because it's not the same movies that I am, apparently.
     
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    But Kylo never knows Leia survives and that's something what I don't understand. Will Kylo still think Leia's dead in EPIX. Will he even care? After what I've seen in TLJ I don't think so.
     
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    The pull towards the dark side in Kylo is making him incapable to analyze or react to these intrusive feelings of compassion he had in TLJ. Kylo is unable to push the torpedo button, he would have even stopped Leia getting hurt, but that is the extent of the light's influence in him. I'm not sure if he is aware of Leia's survival. His mind was so full and occupied by the end of TLJ that perhaps he did not "feel" her. Or perhaps he knows she is alive, and even knows the toll her space "flight" must have had in her body and about the strong chance of her dying because of it.

    Edit: I still think something is needed to shake Kylo up a bit more, and that's why the baby rumours, bonkers as they are considering no physical contact has occurred or is likely to occur, are on the right track in the sense that they provide the "shock element" Kylo needs to break free from the dark side prison he has made for himself.
     
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    Kylo Ren needs to make Darth Sidious look like Mon Mothma and then double down on that.

    Turn the whole galaxy against him in the end of IX (or preferably X) not just resistance, not just the neutral, not just the regular population but the First Order, the weapons dealers, even his wife Mara (yeah...I went there) all for their own reasons but with blood luster all around.

    Maybe leave him with his knights or a few remnants anyway.

    We leave him a desolate wasteland of a world, erie and unsettling with strange ruins of monuments, temples, and fortresses. Is this Morriban? Is Korriban been brought back? Is this a new world we have never seen?

    Goodness knows when and if we will find out? ;-)

    But when we do I say Kylo makes them all pay a heavy price on the way to his ultimate destiny.
    I'm fine with redemption via sacrifice in the end undoing some of the wickedness he himself unleashed in his hatred...I suggest mirroring Luke's in the flesh where he channels the force to such a degree that it destroys his corporeal form.

    He's a Skywalker. He won't let the galaxy burn when his twins live in it and in them he finally learns to accept his light within.
    Not because they believed in the good in him but because despite having no hope they loved him just because he is their father too much to take advantage of their opportunity.

    Or maybe it might be better if it is because if their love for each that prevents each of them from taking their chance?

    Whatever, he just needs to learn that love is not weakness but strength in a way that allows him to stop his pursuit of darkness.

    For Ben Solo the dark side is not a fall but a choice that takes pretty much maximum effort to maintain. He is naturally light side aligned, he wilfully strives towards the dark. He is quite different than any character we have come across.

    He cannot be redeemed and doesn't need to be.

    He will be in the light the instant he stops pulling himself tooth and nail to the dark.

    His having conflict is not a foothold, he runs on it.
    When he feels it his next move is to double down on it every looking for the action that takes him over the top and leaves him clear in his darkness.
    He and a lot of the audience might not accept that there is no such maximum but I think at least he after eliminating about every other possibility might finally get it but he is going to have to do a lot worse for a lot longer to build the wisdom.
     
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    Says who?
     
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    So sayeth the story presented by the Force Awakens and The Last Jedi as his pull is to the light, the dark is sought not something he fell to
     
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    I could see that.

    It's definitely different than Anakin, at least. He's not being tricked or bribed into joining the Dark side. He's well aware of what it is, and he definitely had options to go back to the light. But he hasn't done it, for some reason.

    I have a hard time believing that he simply wants power. I think power has come to him through his actions, but ironically I think it has been a sense of rebellion that has fueled his path.
     
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    So sayeth NOTHING. Kylo is the embodiment of both light and dark, drawn to both and unable to succumb/commit to either, how did you miss THAT for 2 and a half years?
     
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    Kylo isn't the villain he is the star of the ST...jk.
     
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    He actually is the star of the ST. Think about it. The villains are always the most interesting part of movies (good movies).
     
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    I'd be fine with letting Kylo Ren die evil in the end of IX. There's no way to redeem him satisfactorily and let him live at the end, so they may as well go all in and let him be the villain they are building him into.

    Besides, for me the ONLY way left to save the Skywalker legacy in this train wreck is to have Kylo and Rey have a child together. That way they can at LEAST end with a tease of a new hope for a new trilogy that may or may not happen someday. At least set it up.

    They have Mary Sue'd Rey to death for me to the point I'm not vested in her story arc anymore. At this point her only use to me if she isn't going to BE a Skywalker, is to make her a breeding mare for a Skywalker.
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    I agree. Kylo Ren quickly became the most interesting new character in the ST. He's the only one with an arc I'm interested in.
     
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    There are alot of ways for me personally, but I also like the idea of him dying as villain.

    Maybe it's not about saving but ending the Skywalker legacy?

    Looks like it. Her "only" use is to redeem or to not redeem Kylo Ren.
     
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    @NinjaRen my old friend. If you kill off the Skywalkers 4 good your also killing off alot of $$.
     
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    Tell this to Rian's trilogy and the GOT maker's film series. Maybe we will get a new family which will also gain as much popularity as the Skywalkers.
     
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    That is not my current interpretation.
     
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    That RJ trilogy will barely make 400 million per film.
     
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    I don't understand why it would be an issue if Kylo did not regret his evil acts in episodes 7 and 8 (which I don't believe is the case anyway). Vader showed no remorse for his actions in episodes 4 and 5. It was only in 6 that Vader started to show regret.
     
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    Don't you remember how V ended? Vader didn't kill Piett. He was showing "something".
     
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