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Bob Iger and George Lucas

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Adam812, Sep 29, 2019.

  1. Adam812

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    I don't know if this topic has been brought up on this message board yet. I apologize if it is.
    There are a lot of people on the internet getting bent out of shape about a chapter in Bob Iger's recently published book.

    Basically, Iger reports his side of the same story that we heard from George Lucas years ago before the ST began. Lucas had felt betrayed when his story treatments were not used after being sold to Disney even though he was told that Lucasfilm was not obliged to use his stories. This led to Lucas distancing himself from the production of TFA. He compared it to a breakup.

    Why is it that so many people are upset about this now? We already knew the story from Lucas' point of view. All of a sudden, the fandom menace has taken George's side when not long ago George was seen as the villain raping everybody's childhood. Disney is now getting the same kind of backlash Lucas got back in the days of the prequels. Why the sudden reversal?

    At the time of SW being sold to Disney, it was seen as a logical choice to not use George's ideas. This was the guy that had just given us Jar Jar, mitichlorians, and "I hate sand." It was seen as logical that Star Wars goes back to the style and tone of the OT for the sake of nostalgia. Now with the ST two-thirds of the way through, so many fans have gained a greater appreciation for the prequels.

    Prequels gave us too much politics. People complained. ST reacts by giving us very little politics. People complain. We SW fans are a tough crowd aren't we.

    I only wonder how the ST will be seen in a decade or two from now. Will more fans appreciate them over time as with the prequels?
     
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    Something to keep in mind,

    Not everyone hated the prequels or bashed George. I for one love the prequels. A lot of people have an issue with the direction Disney has decided to take the sequel trilogy. Many complain about a lack of originality, which was George's issue when he saw TFA. I think he was expecting to see something completely bold and new, and hoped they would push the limits of creativity and their imaginations. Many don't agree with this of course, but it's pretty obvious to me.

    Here's one example: Look at the ships that will be in TROS compared to the ones in ROTJ.
    X-Wing, Y-Wing, B-Wing, A-Wing, Falcon, TIE Fighter, Kylo's TIE Fighter (Interceptor) - they are 99% identical.

    For those of us that wanted something new, this is a bit of a letdown. The sequel films appear to be a rehash of familiar material from the OT with what Disney felt like would be a "safe" move. I'm disappointed, and I don't blame George for feeling that way either.
     
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    I believe the ST will be appreciated over time, much like the PT today. As a Star Wars fan, reading so many BTS Star Wars books. George had mentioned at one point, that Star Wars Saga Films should be released every ten years, so when one is produced fans can be wowed by the advancement in film technology.

    I think that is one of the reasons the PT lacks practical effects and most of it is computer generated. With that said JJ went back to practical effects, and George is someone if he produced a Star Wars film would have stretched the limits of film technology while at the same time not losing core of what Star Wars really means.

    So basically, with that said, I think that's one of George's many disappointments with the ST( no advancement in film tech). I for one think they should have also stuck with his outline for TFA, and tweaked it a bit, where they saw fit, yet keeping the core intact.
     
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    We all apreciate what Lucas did for SW (the creator), but I'm glad that LFL-Disney took another direction, especially with the use of pratical effects.
    First order Stromtroopers look real, clonetroopers don't. Yoda in TLJ is just perfect, Yoda in the prequels unfortunately not.
    Also, Disney ignored (at least in the movies) the controversial midiclhorians and we will probably never hear about Jar Jar once again (I don't hate him btw).
    Disney/LFL is trying to erase everything that the fans complained back them during the times of the prequels, but the people who grew up in the PT era now are complaining about the ST.
    As a SW fan I am having the time of my life because I dislike the PT movies.
    Probably in 20 years the ST will be placed at the same "level" of the OT (the great majority of film critics have been praising the ST already). But of course we still have one more step (TROS) for that.
     
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    "Some men just want to see the world burn".

    IMHO you only have to see the faux-outrage and clickbait resulting from the quotes from the book to see that for some people (I'm not saying for everyone by any means) crying blue murder and shouting about the sky falling down is a game, and whatever the story of the week/day is, it's all fuel for the ever-burning hateathon where nothing will ever be alright, and there will always be more sport in moaning about the lack of an idealised perfect 'what could have been' instead of dealing with the flawed, imperfect 'what we got'.

    There is of course plenty of room for reasoned genuine debate over the things we all like or don't like so much. But like you say: "People complain. We SW fans are a tough crowd aren't we." ... yes we are lol.

    But I don't think everyone who complains are even 'fans' in the usual sense anymore... there is a certain section of 'fandom that is like some kind of 'Darth Whinger'... 'more moan-chine than man'... (vader):p. I like to think there is still good in them though, and maybe they'll turn back to the light before the end. I guess we'll see in December/January!
     
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    I respect the story that Lucas undertook with the PT as it was bold and definitely more expansive than the OT. In saying that, I think it’s something that is better for a TV series than a 3 arc movie Trilogy. I felt that many things were rushed in the PT that would have worked better in a TV series where you can take your time developing the characters. The PT is essentially about how Darth Vader came to be, and Lucas skipped around his arc for 3 movies.

    The OT and ST stories fit better for movies as they are more specific and aren’t telling this grand story. I always say that SW movies work best when they keep it simple. I think Lucas would have encountered the same problems if they used his outlines for the ST.
     
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    Part of the problem however, is that in a way the PT opened Pandora's box. He did a large amount of world building. The OT was not as expansive when it came to the amount of world building he was doing. The story was tighter (for lack of a better way of putting it) while the PT opened up the GFFA. By going back to the OT way of doing things I think they messed up. The ST feels small, part of which is probably due to the fact that VII ends and then VIII takes up the story right away.
     
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    I don't care how people will regard the sequel movies in the future. That's how I truly feel about them in the first place.
     
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